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CBK's CBR shocker @ 16.5% - Playing Serious Hard Ball?!
the deal
#141 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:13:38 PM
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guru267 wrote:
the deal wrote:
The Kenyan situation is very simple to solve...it requires a 3 pronged approach from the Min of Agric...Min of Fin and then CBK...


Nice to see you are finally changing your stance and recognizing other factors ran this economy besides the banking sector..

And FYI there are plenty of economists on wazua/ kenya.. Maybe even more than in Namibia..

@guru did you do economics at School or an MBA in Finance? If yes which University? Cos I will never send my kid there...judging by the calibre of your posts!
guru267
#142 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2011 5:01:47 PM
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the deal wrote:

@guru did you do economics at School or an MBA in Finance? If yes which University? Cos I will never send my kid there...judging by the calibre of your posts!


@the deal just because you support Ndungus economics and I dont does not mean I went to a bad university..
I and other wazuans/kenyans merely have a different point of view that we think is more suitable for kenya..



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Scubidu
#143 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:06:59 PM
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erifloss wrote:
tutebeng wrote:
CBK has been failing with respect to monetary policy for almost a year now, but most importantly, there is no theoretical link between the causes of inflation and interest rates, and therefore it is no wonder that the increases in the CBR will have many more undesirable consequences than deal with rising inflation. That said, I would not favour a Euro-bond-given our balance of payments position- which is anything from favourable. The answer lies in pursuing mixed economy policies. Manage credit to certain sectors, restructure OMO and reduce inter-mediation role of banks and craft out a set of new taxes-particularly capital gains tax etc. There is no reason to stifle credit to industry in light of the high levels of unemployment in the economy.

Restructuring OMO will be the best thing. Increasing the CBR is a double edged sword coz though theoretically inflation is being driven out, status quo remains as its replaced by increased lending rates lumped on consumers. Blame is not only on Ndung'u but guys at FinMin as well. Why not instead of only the 100% ID on new investments they add an incentive of lets say 20% Corporate tax for 3-5yrs for new FDI's China style and reduce the number of licences required + create a one stop shop for the same sort of the IPC but on a grander scale like other countries economic centres. I think with this we'll attract more FDIs and get the Forex we really yearn for, create the much needed employment, if manufacturing firms set up shop we'll partly have reduced our imports etc. What MPC is doing is basically killing SMEs who have been as of recent the economic drivers and employers.


Interesting ideas. What's wrong with OMO the way it works now?
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
Jackson_Omari
#144 Posted : Sunday, December 04, 2011 9:03:05 PM
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What's up with our banking sector? The yeild on 91 day tbills is 16·5% the interbank rate is a whopping 29%, and the effective rate of interest in loans is anywhere above 25% and yet, after my banker invests MY money on these instruments, I get a measly 4%pa against an inflation rate of over 15%. As a liquid investor, Early friday I am opening a CDS account at CBK to parking my excess cash in tbills, the rest will go to my SACCO which will give me a loan at 12%pa when I need it, not to mention the dividends from being part owner. Let the banks look for other suckers to dupe, I work too hard for my money for a bank to reap what I have sown. Nkt!!!
Moorings
#145 Posted : Monday, December 05, 2011 8:34:19 AM
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i agree, T-bills is a viable investment instrument at the moment looking at the returns at > 16% for the 91 day T-bills. banks are also cashing in with customers' deposits but rather offer a measly return on the same.
erifloss
#146 Posted : Monday, December 05, 2011 8:39:03 PM
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Scubidu wrote:
erifloss wrote:
tutebeng wrote:
CBK has been failing with respect to monetary policy for almost a year now, but most importantly, there is no theoretical link between the causes of inflation and interest rates, and therefore it is no wonder that the increases in the CBR will have many more undesirable consequences than deal with rising inflation. That said, I would not favour a Euro-bond-given our balance of payments position- which is anything from favourable. The answer lies in pursuing mixed economy policies. Manage credit to certain sectors, restructure OMO and reduce inter-mediation role of banks and craft out a set of new taxes-particularly capital gains tax etc. There is no reason to stifle credit to industry in light of the high levels of unemployment in the economy.

Restructuring OMO will be the best thing. Increasing the CBR is a double edged sword coz though theoretically inflation is being driven out, status quo remains as its replaced by increased lending rates lumped on consumers. Blame is not only on Ndung'u but guys at FinMin as well. Why not instead of only the 100% ID on new investments they add an incentive of lets say 20% Corporate tax for 3-5yrs for new FDI's China style and reduce the number of licences required + create a one stop shop for the same sort of the IPC but on a grander scale like other countries economic centres. I think with this we'll attract more FDIs and get the Forex we really yearn for, create the much needed employment, if manufacturing firms set up shop we'll partly have reduced our imports etc. What MPC is doing is basically killing SMEs who have been as of recent the economic drivers and employers.


Interesting ideas. What's wrong with OMO the way it works now?

1. Reduce the minimum amount one can invest to around 10-20k. This will capture the Wanjikus who went to the NSE during the bull run and make the banking sector more competitive in terms of chasing for deposits making the spread come down.
2. Kenya being a 'developing economy', if 1 above is done then the real effects of OMO will be felt because the small time savers will rush to make a kill. This reduces real inflation as it will truly reduce consumption and mop up cash from Wanjiku.
3. OMO as constituted today is more reactionary rather than a pro-active measure. Look at T bill rates in Jan-June compared to now vis a vis inflation rates and T bills auctioned in the market.
4. Liquidity of T bonds in the secondary market is a big boys play ground especially financial institutions making it almost impossible to use moral suasion on banks.
5. Look at the HRM rates in Jan-July and compare them to last month's, a whooping 40% and the amount transacted in the same period.
6. They should include non-financial players in the repo market to reduce financial institutions persuasion in the market.
7. OMO should be used together with the other monetary policy tools to achieve the maximum market reactions required/expected. In Kenya as now we are too much reliant on the CBR.
8. Sovereign bond.
'They say money cannot buy me happiness but when i compare when i had none and now, i'm happier' Kevin O'leary
FUNKY
#147 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 9:31:31 AM
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hisah
#148 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:41:34 AM
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FUNKY wrote:
http://allafrica.com/stories/201112060027.html

How many times have these analysts got it right...
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