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What will kenya lose if her relationship with Khartoum sours? Wentangula talks of some students and a few thousand Kenyans being expelled from Sudan,no flights to and from Khartoum or over Sudan's airspace and no trade ties etc etc. Is there so much to lose really, what's your take on this?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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What National interests was Wetangula taking care of when he went to sweet talk Bashir?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Wetangula is a diplomatic greenhorn. Surely he must be aware that Khartoum regime is a pariah and has been for a long time. It has supported terrorism and fundamentalism for eons, having hosted Carlos the Jackal, Osama Bin Laden and god knows who else. There is a warrant out for Al Bashir. Clinton bombed some facilities for manufacturing chemo and bio weapons. Simply put, Khartoum is an isolated state. You gain nothing by befriending or appeasing Khartoum and you have a reputation to lose! Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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sparkly wrote:Wetangula is a diplomatic greenhorn.
Surely he must be aware that Khartoum regime is a pariah and has been for a long time.
It has supported terrorism and fundamentalism for eons, having hosted Carlos the Jackal, Osama Bin Laden and god knows who else. There is a warrant out for Al Bashir.
Clinton bombed some facilities for manufacturing chemo and bio weapons.
Simply put, Khartoum is an isolated state. You gain nothing by befriending or appeasing Khartoum and you have a reputation to lose! well, well and i heard someone say that Khartoum is important to kenya in matters regional security. What's Khartoum got to do with the current war on Al-Shabaab?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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Maybe this could explain why Wentangula &co are so scared DIPLOMATIC SPAT
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/8/2010 Posts: 1,732
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Some of us are just looking at this issue lightly, already I know 2 guys who were going to Abyei region on an international organisation posting to be stopped on the airport as a directive from the headquarters that till kenya and sudan solve the problem no staff should go there, fortunately after wetangula's intervention they have been allowed to proceed but to work from Entebbe for the time being. Kenyan economy depends on diaspora thats why we should foster good relations and not activism Life is an endless adventure
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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You cant lose reputation by staying neutral. So net effect, we become the losers. Btw, what is it that kenyans think we gain by throwing stones at our regional states? Feel good factor? Superpower syndrome? Our peacekeepers n workers in darfur were just about to be kicked out. Insignificant? KQ airliners overflying that airspace would have had to detour away fm Sudan meaning additional fuel costs.....simply put, would u rather be in good or bad terms with the neighbour? Do kenyans think sudan has no friends who can also respond in solidality? Can this poor n resourceless Kenya survive in isolation? I feel NIA should be tought as a subject in all sch levels. We need to keep even the devil himself CLOSE, like we have in the last 47yrs, and we lose NOTHING. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/14/2011 Posts: 132 Location: Darasani
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Being neutral is the best thing for Kenya. It has worked for us all these years and we've seen it work for Switzerland. It is not wise to create animosity with your neighbour just because he has a spat with a distant 'friend' of yours. All you can do is all you can do; but all you can do is enough!
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/30/2011 Posts: 483
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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[quote=Lucid_Iam]Bashir has now given us two weeks to 'behave' http://www.sudantribune....r-gives-Kenya-two,40892[/quote]  We shall behave mr prezzy. Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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It's interesting how this warrant of arrest issue will play out. Judicial independence and non-interference of one arm of the government with the other. Apparently Al Bashir expects the Government of Kenya to rubbish the court ruling which obviously undermines the doctrine of seperation of powers as enshrined in the constitution.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/27/2008 Posts: 3,760
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Whatever stance Kenya took wasn't going to change two facts. 1. Bash is and will always be a wanted suspect, 2. Kenya (or any African country is never going to arrest him). So why rock the boat? Affeys statement that we invite him is neither here nor there due to fact 2.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Did anyone read columnist Peter Mwauras article in the Nation?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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Lolest! wrote:Did anyone read columnist Peter Mwauras article in the Nation? what did he say?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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josiah33 wrote:What will kenya lose if her relationship with Khartoum sours? Wentangula talks of some students and a few thousand Kenyans being expelled from Sudan,no flights to and from Khartoum or over Sudan's airspace and no trade ties etc etc. Is there so much to lose really, what's your take on this? What is there to gain from arresting him, peace in Darfur region? Accolades and a pat on the back from our colonial masters? Strengthened shilling? More funding from Uncle Sam? World peace? Kenya will never arrest a sitting president of another African country. The activists may bark all they can but its not happening in this lifetime.
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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Kratos wrote:josiah33 wrote:What will kenya lose if her relationship with Khartoum sours? Wentangula talks of some students and a few thousand Kenyans being expelled from Sudan,no flights to and from Khartoum or over Sudan's airspace and no trade ties etc etc. Is there so much to lose really, what's your take on this? What is there to gain from arresting him, peace in Darfur region? Accolades and a pat on the back from our colonial masters? Strengthened shilling? More funding from Uncle Sam? World peace? Kenya will never arrest a sitting president of another African country. The activists may bark all they can but its not happening in this lifetime. I wonder what your ruling would have been if you were the High Court judge deciding on a case filed by some people against Al Bashir, knowing well that Kenya is a signatory of the ICC and is also bound by some international laws and treaties that it agreed upon and are accommodated in the Kenyan Constitution.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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Kratos wrote:josiah33 wrote:What will kenya lose if her relationship with Khartoum sours? Wentangula talks of some students and a few thousand Kenyans being expelled from Sudan,no flights to and from Khartoum or over Sudan's airspace and no trade ties etc etc. Is there so much to lose really, what's your take on this? What is there to gain from arresting him, peace in Darfur region? Accolades and a pat on the back from our colonial masters? Strengthened shilling? More funding from Uncle Sam? World peace? Kenya will never arrest a sitting president of another African country. The activists may bark all they can but its not happening in this lifetime. Dettol. Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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josiah33 wrote:Kratos wrote:josiah33 wrote:What will kenya lose if her relationship with Khartoum sours? Wentangula talks of some students and a few thousand Kenyans being expelled from Sudan,no flights to and from Khartoum or over Sudan's airspace and no trade ties etc etc. Is there so much to lose really, what's your take on this? What is there to gain from arresting him, peace in Darfur region? Accolades and a pat on the back from our colonial masters? Strengthened shilling? More funding from Uncle Sam? World peace? Kenya will never arrest a sitting president of another African country. The activists may bark all they can but its not happening in this lifetime. I wonder what your ruling would have been if you were the High Court judge deciding on a case filed by some people against Al Bashir, knowing well that Kenya is a signatory of the ICC and is also bound by some international laws and treaties that it agreed upon and are accommodated in the Kenyan Constitution. Are we also not bound by the African Union which does not side with ICC on this one?
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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Kratos wrote:josiah33 wrote:Kratos wrote:josiah33 wrote:What will kenya lose if her relationship with Khartoum sours? Wentangula talks of some students and a few thousand Kenyans being expelled from Sudan,no flights to and from Khartoum or over Sudan's airspace and no trade ties etc etc. Is there so much to lose really, what's your take on this? What is there to gain from arresting him, peace in Darfur region? Accolades and a pat on the back from our colonial masters? Strengthened shilling? More funding from Uncle Sam? World peace? Kenya will never arrest a sitting president of another African country. The activists may bark all they can but its not happening in this lifetime. I wonder what your ruling would have been if you were the High Court judge deciding on a case filed by some people against Al Bashir, knowing well that Kenya is a signatory of the ICC and is also bound by some international laws and treaties that it agreed upon and are accommodated in the Kenyan Constitution. Are we also not bound by the African Union which does not side with ICC on this one? Wish i knew the answer to that.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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The problem is not the judiciary. The problem is not Kenya. The problem is not Ombija. The problem is Bashir. He overeacted angrily as it seems his ego was badly hit. It also now seems Bashir is sudan and sudan is Bashir. Who would want to invest in such a country? It is impossible to have the appeal case heard - leave alone determined in two weeks and we can only wait to see Bashir confirm his 'punishment'..Then what? Kenya will still survive. Since July 2011, Sudan's proximity to Kenya is no more important than that of Chad or Central Africa Republic.
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