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Kioni wants Senate scrapped
Lolest!
#1 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2011 6:41:17 AM
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Ndaragwa MP Jeremiah Kioni will move a motion to remove the senate from the katiba. He feels the senate will be eating too much into taxpayer funds while its role is very much similar to what the National Assembly does. Do we benefit by having 2 houses of parliament? Will removing Senate divert those powers elsewhere?
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#2 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2011 9:08:59 AM
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Did he just realize this. He must have been a 'YES' man during the referendum. What else do we need to change in this katiba.
Impunity
#3 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2011 10:08:12 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
Ndaragwa MP Jeremiah Kioni will move a motion to remove the senate from the katiba. He feels the senate will be eating too much into taxpayer funds while its role is very much similar to what the National Assembly does. Do we benefit by having 2 houses of parliament? Will removing Senate divert those powers elsewhere?


Katiba cannot be written by activists comprising mostly of plugging plugs and socking sockets.
I voted emphatically NO.
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#4 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2011 10:37:59 AM
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Impunity wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Ndaragwa MP Jeremiah Kioni will move a motion to remove the senate from the katiba. He feels the senate will be eating too much into taxpayer funds while its role is very much similar to what the National Assembly does. Do we benefit by having 2 houses of parliament? Will removing Senate divert those powers elsewhere?


Katiba cannot be written by activists comprising mostly of plugging plugs and socking sockets.
I voted emphatically NO.

Me too. I still maintain we have a poor katiba. We should have taken a little more time and got a better document.
....above all, to stand.
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#5 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2011 10:46:11 AM
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Lucid_Iam wrote:
Did he just realize this. He must have been a 'YES' man during the referendum. What else do we need to change in this katiba.

Just realised that with the Katiba there is a higher tier of 'MPs' and being an MP in the bunge wont be as important as before.
He who can express in words the ardour of his love, has but little love to express. - Petrach, Son. (That men by various ways arrive at the same end. - Montaigne, The Essays of.)
kiterunner
#6 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2011 11:16:20 AM
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i agree senate may have to be done away with but i am scared of letting current mps have their way, the likes of Sonko may bring in an amendment to make Unga the new mamziwa ya Nyayo :)
our goals are best achieved indirectly
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#7 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2011 11:59:57 AM
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The lower house does not want to be overseen by the upper house. Senate keeps a check on the National assembly and the President together with safe guarding county issues which is its main mandate
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#8 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2011 12:08:29 PM
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kiterunner wrote:
i agree senate may have to be done away with but i am scared of letting current mps have their way, the likes of Sonko may bring in an amendment to make Unga the new mamziwa ya Nyayo :)


Katiba mbaya,maisha mbaya courtesy Mo1.
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#9 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2011 12:49:47 PM
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FundamentAli wrote:
The lower house does not want to be overseen by the upper house. Senate keeps a check on the National assembly and the President together with safe guarding county issues which is its main mandate


So Kioni does not want anybody scrutinizing their decisions and maybe overturning them? Is it a feeling of impotence?
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#10 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2011 3:05:02 PM
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Compare the two houses in terms of roles:

Chapter Eight - The Legislature
Article 95. Role of the National Assembly

(1) The National Assembly represents the people of the constituencies and special interests in the National Assembly.
(2) The National Assembly deliberates on and resolves issues of concern to the people.
(3) The National Assembly enacts legislation in accordance with Part 4 of this Chapter.
(4) The National Assembly --
(a) determines the allocation of national revenue between the levels of government, as provided in Part 4 of Chapter Twelve;
(b) appropriates funds for expenditure by the national government and other national State organs; and
(c) exercises oversight over national revenue and its expediture.
(5) The National Assembly--
(a) reviews the conduct in office of the President, the Deputy President and other State officers and initiates the process of removing them from office; and
(b) exercises oversight of State organs.
(6) The National Assembly approves declarations of war and extensions of states of emergency.

Article 96. Role of the Senate

(1) The Senate represents the counties, and serves to protect the interests of the counties and their governments.
(2) The Senate participates in the law-making function of Parliament by considering, debating and approving Bills concerning counties, as provided in Articles 109 to 113.
(3) The Senate determines the allocation of national revenue among counties, as provided in Article 217, and exercises oversight over national revenue allocated to the county governments.
(4) The Senate participates in the oversight of State officers by considering and determining any resolution to remove the President or Deputy President from office in accordance with Article 145.

Apart from removal of the President I do not see anywhere else where the Senate plays an oversight role over the National Assembly!

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#11 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2011 3:08:41 PM
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Lucid_Iam wrote:
Did he just realize this. He must have been a 'YES' man during the referendum. What else do we need to change in this katiba.

He says he had to support it coz of the 'heat of the moment'....

Is he right or wrong? Some of us voted YES with the promise that we could later smoothen the rough edges.

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#12 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2011 4:11:46 PM
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Some people were wondering why Kibaki did not come out to declare war on al-shabaab.

The answer is in the constitution! He would have required the support of parliament!

Now I see why Saitoti and Haji have insisted we are not at war but we are engaging in an 'operation to hunt down terrorists'.

Sorry for digressing.
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#13 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2011 8:20:35 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Some people were wondering why Kibaki did not come out to declare war on al-shabaab.

The answer is in the constitution! He would have required the support of parliament!

Now I see why Saitoti and Haji have insisted we are not at war but we are engaging in an 'operation to hunt down terrorists'.

Sorry for digressing.

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#14 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2011 8:24:52 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Some people were wondering why Kibaki did not come out to declare war on al-shabaab.

The answer is in the constitution! He would have required the support of parliament!

Now I see why Saitoti and Haji have insisted we are not at war but we are engaging in an 'operation to hunt down terrorists'.

Sorry for digressing.


Ubako will always take a safe stance.
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mpobiz
#15 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2011 10:50:37 PM
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hata mimi sitaki hii senate thing Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause
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#16 Posted : Sunday, December 04, 2011 6:34:52 AM
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@mpobiz..hata mimi, i never wanted this civil society, populist katiba. Bt i'm careful where and how i say it lest someone Tujus me.
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#17 Posted : Friday, January 25, 2013 11:39:45 PM
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Kioni is a very brilliant lawmaker. Too bad he wont be in the next parliament. Watching him on the trend, he appeared confident of his earlier stand on the senate and KCPE. Senate ishindwe!
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#18 Posted : Friday, January 25, 2013 11:43:29 PM
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we are such a small country with so many public positions!! NKT Sad Sad Sad
i.am.back!!!!
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#19 Posted : Saturday, January 26, 2013 7:49:38 AM
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harrydre wrote:
we are such a small country with so many public positions!! NKT Sad Sad Sad



This positions are here courtesy of the new constitution 2010. We need to seriously manage the entire government wage bill. Otherwise we are on our way to a perennially (sp) broke government.
You will know that you have arrived when money and time are not mutually exclusive "events" in you life!
Impunity
#20 Posted : Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:47:49 AM
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XSK wrote:
harrydre wrote:
we are such a small country with so many public positions!! NKT Sad Sad Sad



This positions are here courtesy of the new constitution 2010. We need to seriously manage the entire government wage bill. Otherwise we are on our way to a perennially (sp) broke government.


Another useless position ni ile ya divorcees-rep!
Bure kabisa.
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