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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/19/2010 Posts: 1,308 Location: nairobi metropolitan
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limanika wrote:This ruling by Ombija is a testimony that our judiciary is truly becoming independent thanks to the new constitution that Bashir himself came to witness the promulgation. Sad for him he did not know he would be a victim of the widening democratic space following the promulgation of the new constitution!
That said Khartoum has more to lose than Kenya following the turn of events. Their hope to seek solace from arab spring by joining East Africa community is now gone with the wind i beg to differ, infact am saddened by it as it is a populist decision. How on earth can he rule that we have ratified the the rome statute while parliament has not legistlated on the same. He chose to interpreat ratification his own way. Am afraid we might have entered an era of populist judgements considering also the other ruling on demolition. Democracy does not belong to the dead
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/26/2008 Posts: 2,097
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“We are not in favour of referring the question of Darfur to the International Criminal Court (ICC) without the consent of the Sudanese Government, because we are afraid that that would not only severely complicate efforts to secure an early settlement of the Darfur issue, but also have unforeseeable consequences for the north-south peace process in the Sudan.” - Chinese Ambassador to the UN, Wang Guangya, to the Security Council on Resolution 1593, passed on March 31, 2005 "Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2007 Posts: 1,162
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I support the judge. His work is to make judgement in line with our laws and constitution. That's why we pay him. And this judgement is good for posterity because it shows CLEAR differnce between Judiciary and Executive powers and duty.
It is up to the Executive to deal with the political fall-out with Sudan, matter of fact, Mr Kibaki should be on the phone to sooth the hurt feelings of Mr. Bashir. Let the Sudanese stop over-reacting.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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The Sudanese embassy off Kabarnet rd was constructed in 2004-2005 when there was flurry of diplomatic activity between Nairobi and Khartoum - during negotiations for the CPA. After secession, the embassy must have become an empty shell as now there is little if any business between Nairobi and Khartoum. Perhaps we do not really need each other so much after all…I have also not heard of any media statement from Wetangula
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/9/2008 Posts: 2,824
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just a thought... supposing bashir decides to have a cup of tea tomorrow with baks at statehouse.....hiyo court order itado? si watakunywa chai, waongee kidogo na apelekwe jkia na wets and kalooser?? hata huyo jaji ni pumbafu tuu!! When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Lolest! wrote:@kabz, how has Kenya become arrogant? This has not come from foreign affairs ministry but from the judiciary! The AG should appeal if the ruling hurts Kenyas foreign policy Last I checked, the Judiciary is part and parcel of the govt. Rulings by judges must always be in the right spirit, for the good of the people and state. Fundamentally, Laws are meant to protect the sovereign state and its pple, not create tensions, anger, discourage trade or create enemity. Interesting discussion though. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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simonkabz wrote:Lolest! wrote:@kabz, how has Kenya become arrogant? This has not come from foreign affairs ministry but from the judiciary! The AG should appeal if the ruling hurts Kenyas foreign policy Last I checked, the Judiciary is part and parcel of the govt. Rulings by judges must always be in the right spirit, for the good of the people and state. Fundamentally, Laws are meant to protect the sovereign state and its pple, not create tensions, anger, discourage trade or create enemity. Interesting discussion though. thimioni I agree with you on this, this was a typical activism kind of behaviour from the judge, not well thought out, have we seen any judges from other countries who are signatories to the rome protocal make such rulings???.....ABK huyo judge!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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McReggae wrote:simonkabz wrote:Lolest! wrote:@kabz, how has Kenya become arrogant? This has not come from foreign affairs ministry but from the judiciary! The AG should appeal if the ruling hurts Kenyas foreign policy Last I checked, the Judiciary is part and parcel of the govt. Rulings by judges must always be in the right spirit, for the good of the people and state. Fundamentally, Laws are meant to protect the sovereign state and its pple, not create tensions, anger, discourage trade or create enemity. Interesting discussion though. thimioni I agree with you on this, this was a typical activism kind of behaviour from the judge, not well thought out, have we seen any judges from other countries who are signatories to the rome protocal make such rulings???.....ABK huyo judge!!! its a silly move lets analyse this WHAT DO WE STAND TO GAIN? - respect from 'western' nations, we like dogs will get our heads rubbed in congratulations by nations like US who are not even signatories to the statute. the attaboy! may not even come. WHAT DO WE STAND TO LOSE? - the war in Somalia (remember somalia and north sudan consider themselves as part of the ARABIC WORLD) - bilateral agreements with Sudan and now it will be harder to go there for businessmen or individuals going to work for NGOs. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/27/2007 Posts: 3,604
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The judge looked at the issue from the legal side point of view. On some aspects diplomacy should also be an aspect to be considered. African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
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Regional interests should get preference over the ICC nonsense. Lord, thank you!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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IDIOCY from the judiciary, if you ask me. The west has truly invaded the minds of our S=African judges. Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/26/2008 Posts: 2,097
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On Daily Nation Headline; "Al-Bashir's fit of fury"  Should have been "fist of fury". And these bugers are selling the mistakes at 50bob. NKT! "Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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I don't know what most are complaining about here, the judge simply interpreted the law that Kenya has ratified. The problem with Kenyans is that they think that laws are only to be followed when its convinient. If I remember correctly, Museveni actually said he would arrest Bashir if he ever stepped into Uganda, the same stance I believe has been taken by Kagame. Uganda has troops in Somalia and Rwanda has troops in Darfur. Why are we Kenyans such cowards. This is the same Sudan that kills black people for sport in Darfur, and killed millions of other balcks in South Sudan over a 2 decade period. The same Sudan (with Egypt) that insists that we should not use our rivers that flow into lake Victoria because we are interfering with the waterflow to them. C'mon guys have some guts and a bit of pride. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Tebes wrote:On Daily Nation Headline; "Al-Bashir's fit of fury" Should have been "fist of fury". And these bugers are selling the mistakes at 50bob. NKT! They are right, you are wrong! Ama u jokin?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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Lolest! wrote:Tebes wrote:On Daily Nation Headline; "Al-Bashir's fit of fury" Should have been "fist of fury". And these bugers are selling the mistakes at 50bob. NKT! They are right, you are wrong! Ama u jokin? I think the paper is right; they mean "fit of fury" as in hasira mwingi and not "fist of fury" as in ngumi ya hasira.  Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:I don't know what most are complaining about here, the judge simply interpreted the law that Kenya has ratified. The problem with Kenyans is that they think that laws are only to be followed when its convinient.
If I remember correctly, Museveni actually said he would arrest Bashir if he ever stepped into Uganda, the same stance I believe has been taken by Kagame. Uganda has troops in Somalia and Rwanda has troops in Darfur. Why are we Kenyans such cowards.
This is the same Sudan that kills black people for sport in Darfur, and killed millions of other balcks in South Sudan over a 2 decade period. The same Sudan (with Egypt) that insists that we should not use our rivers that flow into lake Victoria because we are interfering with the waterflow to them.
C'mon guys have some guts and a bit of pride. Yes, Mr. Kanobi. The other day we preached that states should be able to determine their own direction without interference from third party states. I still think states should determine their own direction without being cowed by another. Kenya was not cowed in this matter by anyone and should still not be cowed by another in this matter. Unless something has changed.....
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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Globalization. NGO's and other unelected 'technocrats' will eventually run the affairs of nations.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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Mtu Biz wrote:
Globalization.
NGO's and other unelected 'technocrats' will eventually run the affairs of nations.
That's where the problem lies. NGO's receive donor funding and push the interests of their masters down the throats of Kenyans in the name of freedom and democracy. Who elected them and whose agenda do they represent?
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/14/2011 Posts: 132 Location: Darasani
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I think these judges have resorted to making populist judgements in anticipation of the upcoming vetting. I may be wrong though.... All you can do is all you can do; but all you can do is enough!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/8/2010 Posts: 1,732
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unconfirmed reports, due to the ongoing diplomatic stand-off between kenya and sudan the UN has stopped all hirings that were in progress for kenyans who were to join the international body in sudan (Abyei and Darfur offices) Really this judge will cost us so much at the end of the day if its confirmed to be true NB: Its grapevine no link though i know 2 guys who were on the way and the tickets cancelled midway Life is an endless adventure
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