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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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FundamentAli wrote:limanika wrote:So did Ombija know in advance that his ruling would make Sudan cut ties? No. I think the Sudanese are the ones who over reacted …even though Kenya is hated by all her neighbors, this does not mean that we sacrifice our values for the sake of meager business opportunities with countries who only laugh with us during the day. Our values? Really? WHAT VALUES? we should know how to pick our battles. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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limanika wrote:So did Ombija know in advance that his ruling would make Sudan cut ties? No. I think the Sudanese are the ones who over reacted …even though Kenya is hated by all her neighbors, this does not mean that we sacrifice our values for the sake of meager business opportunities with countries who only laugh with us during the day. What VALUES?? U r demeaning our bilateral ties I see. What do we stand to gain by that judgement, or those 'imaginary' values? How about sticking to our NEUTRALITY VALUES and the policy of NONINTERFERENCE, from which we have commanded much respect from many quarters? This amounts to 'chest thumping' as if Kenya is a superpower. Yes, that judge couldnt predict Khartoum's reaction coz he is dimwitted. Once we lose our neighbour's trust n respect.......SAD. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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No one is justifying Ombija’s ruling. I for one am not amused by some of his controversial rulings / actions in the past. But judges must be allowed to make independent decisions without having to look behind their shoulders and this is what we mean by values. I also believe bashir’s decision to severe ties is a result of other simmering issues and this judgement was only a trigger / scapegoat Bashir was waiting for. 4 one Sudan’s fortunes have dwindled following independence of S.Sudan and in bashir’s mind, Kenya takes no. 1 responsibility for this. I also think it may have something to do with Kenya’s spat with Eritrea, as well as recent disagreements between S. Sudan and Sudan. In normal situation, Sudan would have sought an explanation from Kenya before taking such a drastic action. This was not done and tells you there is more than meets the eye.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/7/2010 Posts: 2,148 Location: elderville
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Burning Spear wrote:The Kenyan judiciary wanted to be seen independent but their ruling did not factor the bilateral relationships between the two countries which are more important that Bashir and ICC. Some rulings especially when sponsored by activists are not done for the good of this country.
Just after KQ was enjoying twice daily flights to Khartoum,the judge is here to destroy the gains.NKT with our sycophancy !!! Useless Judiciary !! @Burning Spear have you taken time to read the Judgement and if so what legal issues do you have with it? So you expect a High Court to consider bilateral relationships (which are not part of Kenyan laws) in interpreting the law? Would there have been a legal basis for that? There is a reason why they say Justice is blind. He who can express in words the ardour of his love, has but little love to express. - Petrach, Son. (That men by various ways arrive at the same end. - Montaigne, The Essays of.)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Dealing with people who do not understand democracy and separation of powers. But maybe it's their way of pushing us to talk/negotiate.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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Tebes wrote:Kenya was instrumental in ensuring the independence of the South Sudan. Bashir was the necessary Devil. However much the law says there is the other side of the coin. Now the relations between the Nort and the south may be and will be definately affected. To the North, Kenya waited until the independence of the South to Issue the warrant. The south relies on the northern Sudan for refining of their Crude Oil. They arent out of the woods yet. I think a lot of Kenyans are having inferiority complexes. It pains them that our ambassador has been expelled. Only. It hurts. They wish it would not have happened. To them national pride is at stake. That is unfortunate and irrational. Lets pan out. This could be good for Kenya. We cannot discount the chagrin of Khartom in the light of sweetening relations between Nairobi and Juba. Look, Nairobi wants to build a port in Lamu. What for? For Juba to export its' oil, among other reasons. Surely you cannot expect Khartoum to smile at this. They have been lording the pipeline over Juba now Nairobi want to take that away? Stupid Nairobi! (you get the drift?). Juba now has an additional reason to spite Khartoum and flirt with Nairobi to rub salt into this wound and have the port built fast now. Juba should capitalize on this seeing that Khartoum wants nothing to do with Nairobi. Keep in mind Khartoum wanted to join EAC because Juba had also applied despite having no common border with any of the EAC states. Oh, these international relations are like relationships. The stuff 'paloma & alejandro' are made of. Whining over the ruling is a waste of time. Opportunity is knocking, there are new relationships to be built. It is good the ruling was made in the first place.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/3/2010 Posts: 1,141 Location: Londokwe
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there is more than the ruling.rss monisters are currently in kenya for some training by kenyan monisters, khartoum is not happy with this. 2012 is here.Kenya is Ours.Be Part of The Peace Keeping Mission To Protect Our Motherland.Say No To Violence and Tribal Hatred .If you can read this,wewe ni mtu amesoma, usifikirie kama mtu hajaenda shule .Ni Hayo Tu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Sudan has issues. Tz and UG have objected to her application to join EAC citing lack of democracy, religious conflict and poor women rights record
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/26/2008 Posts: 2,097
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YesuWangu wrote:Tebes wrote:Kenya was instrumental in ensuring the independence of the South Sudan. Bashir was the necessary Devil. However much the law says there is the other side of the coin. Now the relations between the Nort and the south may be and will be definately affected. To the North, Kenya waited until the independence of the South to Issue the warrant. The south relies on the northern Sudan for refining of their Crude Oil. They arent out of the woods yet. I think a lot of Kenyans are having inferiority complexes. It pains them that our ambassador has been expelled. Only. It hurts. They wish it would not have happened. To them national pride is at stake. That is unfortunate and irrational. Lets pan out. This could be good for Kenya. We cannot discount the chagrin of Khartom in the light of sweetening relations between Nairobi and Juba. Look, Nairobi wants to build a port in Lamu. What for? For Juba to export its' oil, among other reasons. Surely you cannot expect Khartoum to smile at this. They have been lording the pipeline over Juba now Nairobi want to take that away? Stupid Nairobi! (you get the drift?). Juba now has an additional reason to spite Khartoum and flirt with Nairobi to rub salt into this wound and have the port built fast now. Juba should capitalize on this seeing that Khartoum wants nothing to do with Nairobi. Keep in mind Khartoum wanted to join EAC because Juba had also applied despite having no common border with any of the EAC states. Oh, these international relations are like relationships. The stuff 'paloma & alejandro' are made of. Whining over the ruling is a waste of time. Opportunity is knocking, there are new relationships to be built. It is good the ruling was made in the first place. When two bulls fight, goes the old saying; it is the grass that suffers. In this case Kenya has nothing much to loose but South Sudan will. If Khartoum decides not to refine the S.Sudan oil then GOSS will have to either build a dual pipeline to MSA or build its own refinery. Either way will take 2-3 years. The Lamu port will soon become a reality for the benefit of both Juba and NBI governments. The north has its own seawaters. "Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/7/2010 Posts: 2,148 Location: elderville
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Lolest! wrote:Sudan has issues. Tz and UG have objected to her application to join EAC citing lack of democracy, religious conflict and poor women rights record Seriously? Pots and Kettle stuff. He who can express in words the ardour of his love, has but little love to express. - Petrach, Son. (That men by various ways arrive at the same end. - Montaigne, The Essays of.)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/26/2008 Posts: 2,097
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'user' wrote:there is more than the ruling.rss monisters are currently in kenya for some training by kenyan monisters, khartoum is not happy with this. And Kiswahili will soon become the second national language after English, replacing Arabic.  "Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/25/2010 Posts: 939 Location: Nai
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...how do we benefit from the bilateral relations with sudan?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Kenya, an african poorhouse struggling to raise its head above water is fast becoming arrogant. Humility never hurt anyone. Neither has neutrality. If this is what an independent judiciary means, to hell with it then. Amazingly everyone around seems to be in agreement that the ruling was uncalled for. We all have divergent perspectives, only time will tell. @jamplu, it would also be interesting to know what we stand to gain from the warrant  . TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Elder wrote:Lolest! wrote:Sudan has issues. Tz and UG have objected to her application to join EAC citing lack of democracy, religious conflict and poor women rights record Seriously? Pots and Kettle stuff. In the BD today
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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@kabz, how has Kenya become arrogant? This has not come from foreign affairs ministry but from the judiciary! The AG should appeal if the ruling hurts Kenyas foreign policy
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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'user' wrote:there is more than the ruling.rss monisters are currently in kenya for some training by kenyan monisters, khartoum is not happy with this. I have thought and thought but I still cant figure out what monisters are.  What are they?
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/31/2009 Posts: 743
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YesuWangu wrote:'user' wrote:there is more than the ruling.rss monisters are currently in kenya for some training by kenyan monisters, khartoum is not happy with this. I have thought and thought but I still cant figure out what monisters are. What are they? mawasili
Problems can get out of proportion, and not only in the wee small hours. Don't let the problems eclipse the Master. Let the Master eclipse the problems.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/3/2010 Posts: 1,141 Location: Londokwe
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YesuWangu wrote:'user' wrote:there is more than the ruling.rss monisters are currently in kenya for some training by kenyan monisters, khartoum is not happy with this. I have thought and thought but I still cant figure out what monisters are. What are they? heads of scandal monstery like in monister of land (syokimau) scandal monister of immigration (eastleigh immigrants scandal) monister of education fke scandal 2012 is here.Kenya is Ours.Be Part of The Peace Keeping Mission To Protect Our Motherland.Say No To Violence and Tribal Hatred .If you can read this,wewe ni mtu amesoma, usifikirie kama mtu hajaenda shule .Ni Hayo Tu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/26/2008 Posts: 2,097
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YesuWangu wrote:'user' wrote:there is more than the ruling.rss monisters are currently in kenya for some training by kenyan monisters, khartoum is not happy with this. I have thought and thought but I still cant figure out what monisters are. What are they? Ministers, the wazua language "Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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