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chi20
#1 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:13:30 AM
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hey gurus here, what is "dirty" and "clean" price as refered to in the bonds trading.
mukiha
#2 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:35:55 AM
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dirty = inclusive of accrued interest. clean = exclusive accrued interest.

In Kenya we trade in dirty prices.

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chi20
#3 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:46:47 AM
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thanks Mukiha, i think im enlightened now
FundamentAli
#4 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2010 1:35:59 PM
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@ Mukiha

Please explain in a layman's language. Is this interest the amount of interest due at that time from the day the bond was issued? Do bonds pay interest annually or bi-annually? Do bonds have financial years?
kizee
#5 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2010 5:48:26 PM
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correction
kenyan bonds trade at clean price...dirty pricing was dun away with becoz it skews the price of a bond..that said bonds interest semi annualy, thus accrued interest is the interest from the last interest payment to the date wen a buyer pays for a bond...i dont understand the concept of financial year...please explain
Sasha
#6 Posted : Monday, April 12, 2010 12:08:32 PM
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Bonds have an issue date! The coupon is paid annually but interest is compounded semi-annually from the issue date.

Agree with Kizee that Kenyan bonds trade at clean price.

@FundamentAli: Bonds don't have financial years. They have a maturity date when they can be redeemed depending on the type of bond.
sparkly
#7 Posted : Monday, April 12, 2010 8:26:39 PM
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@sasha in the secondary treasury bond market whats the min you can invest, Whats the commission payable, do i buy through broker, is electronic trading available yet? a Clean price, how is the interest factored into the bond price? Does the price rise towards the interest date?
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Sasha
#8 Posted : Tuesday, April 13, 2010 8:06:22 AM
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@sparkly: Since you've asked many questions, have a look at this

http://www.centralbank.g...bonds/Introduction.aspx

If you still have further questions, I will be obliged to answer to the limit of my knowledge!
john p
#9 Posted : Monday, April 19, 2010 8:25:15 PM
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@Sasha: i did a post on how to buy Treasury bills a while back.Used the CBK data.Go to the post HERE
Impunity
#10 Posted : Thursday, November 24, 2011 7:59:35 PM
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When do you get the money if you buy a discounted bond and how is this done?
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#11 Posted : Thursday, November 24, 2011 9:51:56 PM
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sparkly wrote:
@sasha in the secondary treasury bond market whats the min you can invest, Whats the commission payable, do i buy through broker, is electronic trading available yet? a Clean price, how is the interest factored into the bond price? Does the price rise towards the interest date?

Min investment is only KES.50K, you buy through a broker if its in the secondary market. Operates just like shares. You need to have a CDS A/c which you open with/at CBK and you use them for new issues in the primary market.
Interest doesnt have to be factored in the clean price, only factored in the dirty price and as such you pay more for dirty than clean coz of the interest receivable component. Just like you'd buy a cum div stock at higher price than an ex div one.
Only problem is that the bond market is fairly illiquid particularly if you bond is just worth a few thousands. Banks are the major players here.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, November 24, 2011 9:59:38 PM
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Impunity wrote:
When do you get the money if you buy a discounted bond and how is this done?

BTW @Impunity, bonds operate in a slightly different way than shares in the sense that you apply for a new issue by filling an application form wherein you provide your name, the offer amount(how much you want to put in) and the interest rate. The forms are then submitted to CB and then you have to wait for their call to tell you whether your application was successful or not. This is normally after 2 or so days after the deadline for application.
And now to your question, the good thing about a discounted bond is that you will pay less than the offer amount but receive the full amount on maturity. This is over and above the semi annual interests butis one-off!.
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