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kiterunner
#1 Posted : Sunday, November 20, 2011 2:48:26 PM
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Kenya has 2300 doctors for a 40Million population while the UK has 109000 doctors for a 60Million population. Is it just me or is something really wrong for a long time in our health sector, education sector and policy makers? We need to change this and its not a #tunaomba serikali cry
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#2 Posted : Sunday, November 20, 2011 7:41:05 PM
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Did u include the numerous Clinical Officers (small of the docs) who do most of the doc's work so effectively?
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#3 Posted : Monday, November 21, 2011 10:40:48 PM
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#2 Who do most of the work so effectively?

That must be why the life expectancy is only 58 years!
kiterunner
#4 Posted : Tuesday, November 22, 2011 1:59:05 AM
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I did not include clinical officers here, I have to say I have very little regard for the COs. Some of my high school classmates that ended up to be COs are people that I wouldnt entrust my kid's health with (no disrespect at all) but its an overstatement to claim they do MOs work effectively
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, November 22, 2011 7:23:10 AM
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I also thought that clinical officers are strange peoples. I clashed with one the previous week.

The ones I have dealt with have certain airs about them. They think they are on the same level as doctors, in the eyes of the patients.

They want to be worshiped thus, especially by the ladies and feared by the gentlemen. Bure Kabisa attitude!
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, November 22, 2011 8:43:01 AM
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@kiterunner those are the ones in public. there is quite a number in private
anyway was always told med was a calling...if this gen Ys wanted ksh they picked the wrong course. in med you need at least 15 years of sch n experience to have a chance to get rich
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, November 22, 2011 9:12:40 AM
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digitek1 wrote:
@kiterunner those are the ones in public. there is quite a number in private
anyway was always told med was a calling...if this gen Ys wanted ksh they picked the wrong course. in med you need at least 15 years of sch n experience to have a chance to get rich


Medical professionals should be remunerated fairly and in my opinion even slightly higher than most professions. A calling it maybe, but would you rather you or your family be treated by underpaid doctors with low morale who cant afford the same service they are offering in private hospitals?

Its not about getting rich, just do a ratio of doctor to patient in public hospitals and you will understand it better

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#8 Posted : Tuesday, November 22, 2011 9:37:55 AM
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Most do their work quite well. These KMTC graduates may not be as informed as docs, but they are the ones who man health centres esp in the rural areas. And they do the much of the doctor's work esp in regard to common ailments/injuries/maternity and they do it well. That is the reality, and in fact, quite a number are jobless. This country has been hemorrhaging doctors due to poor pay. Im not defending anybody. I would love to hear burning spear's comments on this.

Comparatively, when they say our KDF is small, they forget the relatively large national police force, half of which is paramilitary.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, November 22, 2011 9:50:25 AM
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digitek1 wrote:
@kiterunner those are the ones in public. there is quite a number in private
anyway was always told med was a calling...if this gen Ys wanted ksh they picked the wrong course. in med you need at least 15 years of sch n experience to have a chance to get rich



Yenyewe being a doctor makes sense when it is viewed as a calling. But again I hope they are paid better.

By the way, I thought their professional code of conduct does not allow them to down their tools at the expense of people's lifes?? Any doc in the house??
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, November 22, 2011 10:32:30 AM
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kiterunner wrote:
Kenya has 2300 doctors for a 40Million population while the UK has 109000 doctors for a 60Million population. Is it just me or is something really wrong for a long time in our health sector, education sector and policy makers? We need to change this and its not a #tunaomba serikali cry


According to ur stats it means for every doctor we have he/she needs to treat 17391 patients.
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kiterunner
#11 Posted : Wednesday, November 23, 2011 9:35:48 AM
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To reverse the trends GoK needs to set up medical schools in every county, they need to train docs for Africa. The 'hemorrhaging' docs out there form a good part of the diaspora remittances we so proudly refer to from time to time. We can train in excess and supply docs to the world like India and Philippines. The effect would be immense in improving health care in the country both directly and indirectly.

COs play an important role in MoH but I would rather they raised the cut off of students KMTC takes on.

I dont think there s a single career you take on to become rich, but its immoral to pay docs what they earn. Its a wonder they stick around when some countries are falling over themselves to get them
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, November 23, 2011 10:15:47 AM
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Paying a doc 60K after 7 years of book-warming is uncouth, while paying an accountant who spends kindu less than one year in college a similar amount!
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, November 23, 2011 12:37:45 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Paying a doc 60K after 7 years of book-warming is uncouth, while paying an accountant who spends kindu less than one year in college a similar amount!

If that is what you think, look at what pilots earn vs their training duration.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, November 23, 2011 12:59:39 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Paying a doc 60K after 7 years of book-warming is uncouth, while paying an accountant who spends kindu less than one year in college a similar amount!

If that is what you think, look at what pilots earn vs their training duration.

And how much do they spend in that training to CPL standard? The effort n money spent training a doc is equally as high as training pilot. A pilot n a doc therefore deserve a very good pay package.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, November 23, 2011 1:12:11 PM
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I'm with doctors on this one. They deserve better remuneration. I look forward to the day our MPigs will go on strike. Tuwachuje pap!
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, November 23, 2011 1:13:41 PM
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Sadly....all that matters in this world is Demand Vs Supply.
This applies for doctors,pilots,accountants,lecturers etc....(well apart from MPs since those 2 factors are fixed).

Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, November 23, 2011 2:20:37 PM
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dossy7 wrote:
kiterunner wrote:
Kenya has 2300 doctors for a 40Million population while the UK has 109000 doctors for a 60Million population. Is it just me or is something really wrong for a long time in our health sector, education sector and policy makers? We need to change this and its not a #tunaomba serikali cry


According to ur stats it means for every doctor we have he/she needs to treat 17391 patients.
Only in Kenya


.....assuming all kenyans are patients huh!!!!
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, November 23, 2011 2:22:36 PM
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....halafu waache private practice!!!!
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, November 23, 2011 2:59:07 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Paying a doc 60K after 7 years of book-warming is uncouth, while paying an accountant who spends kindu less than one year in college a similar amount!

@Impunity, I think its good to separate facts from allegations.The docs without a doubt deserve better pay but no doctor has a gross of 60k as insinuated. Sample this salaries for doctors;
Consultant medical officer
Basic 105,432 94,235
Rent 60,000 40,000
Non Practice 60,000 46,000
Commuter 12,000 12,000
Med. Allow. 1,995 1,740

for the medical doctors who are junior the basic salary could be lower but not below 56k for the basic but the allowances range on that level.But they ought to be compared to the salos of their counterparts in the commonwealth to make it worthwhile the training.If you look at the nurses salary you will literally look the other way and weep.
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McReggae
#20 Posted : Wednesday, November 23, 2011 3:08:52 PM
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kangi wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Paying a doc 60K after 7 years of book-warming is uncouth, while paying an accountant who spends kindu less than one year in college a similar amount!

@Impunity, I think its good to separate facts from allegations.The docs without a doubt deserve better pay but no doctor has a gross of 60k as insinuated. Sample this salaries for doctors;
Consultant medical officer
Basic 105,432 94,235
Rent 60,000 40,000
Non Practice 60,000 46,000
Commuter 12,000 12,000
Med. Allow. 1,995 1,740

for the medical doctors who are junior the basic salary could be lower but not below 56k for the basic but the allowances range on that level.But they ought to be compared to the salos of their counterparts in the commonwealth to make it worthwhile the training.If you look at the nurses salary you will literally look the other way and weep.


I hope after that we do a comparison for all the proffessions!!!!
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