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#101 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:00:50 AM
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@ Obi 1 Kanobi-true. In most developed countries, once the government[local authority]does not object a construction for the period of time that the construction takes place, its assumed that the house owner has all rights to construct.
in the recent times, the local authority apporval has been changed to be subject to the land having no encumberances so the mavoko council cant be blamed on this since they approve building quality and standarda and not land ownership. land ownership falls squalrey on ministry of lands.
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#102 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 10:19:04 AM
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PS Angote yesterday challenged the so called 'owners' to show titles to the parcels they claim to own. What most possess are share certificates. How does one build without a title. I think people have become too assuming and they want to push things through.
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#103 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 10:42:36 AM
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If banks do not give devpt loans on share certificate, does this mean those buildings were financed through savings and SACCO loans?
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#104 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 10:43:10 AM
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I sympathize with those who have lost property. GOK should not have waited for them to construct only for them to demolish.
However ALWAYS buy property that has Titles -hii mambo ya share certificate or allotment letters holds no water. Kenyans never learn. I hope no wazuan is banking on an "allotment letter" or "share certificate"
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#105 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 10:43:21 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@ Obi 1 Kanobi-true. In most developed countries, once the government[local authority]does not object a construction for the period of time that the construction takes place, its assumed that the house owner has all rights to construct.
in the recent times, the local authority apporval has been changed to be subject to the land having no encumberances so the mavoko council cant be blamed on this since they approve building quality and standarda and not land ownership. land ownership falls squalrey on ministry of lands.



I think a better approach would be where the ministry is duty bound to give a clearance on the land before any council approves building. That way the could own up. The way it is now, it does not make sense.
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#106 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:22:14 AM
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Just in the recent past, Kyangombe slum was demolished, and there were no outcries like what we are currently witnessing. But when the middle class has been touched, we call it impunity of the highest order by the government. The middle class are well educated, and as such should conduct due dilligence, especially when you want to pump in millions of shillings to an investment. Like @mukiha said, you may have bought a shamba, but without a deed, dont construct anything. In as much as we will complain bitterly against the government, somehow the blame will still fall on the individuals for making wrong assumptions. Like one blogger said, ignorance is no defense. Sorry to those who lost millions, it should be a lesson learnt by all.

For others in areas currently not affected, and you have a share certificate, allotment letter, etc, this is the time to conduct a thorough search and find out if the land is legit or not. Because it may not be the end of demolitions, just dont wait for it to happen to you.
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#107 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:44:18 AM
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Jus Blazin wrote:
Just in the recent past, Kyangombe slum was demolished, and there were no outcries .


@Jus Blazin, a demolished slum can be rebuilt with in day on any alternative space and the materials can be reused BUT the houses in Syokimau cannot be rebuilt, once demolished the investment is gone.

Secondly Kyang'ombe slums was an encroachment, money never changed hands but in Syokimau people bought the land, took loans to construct e.t.c

Any one in his right mind cannot compare the two !!

Remember the affected guys conducted a thorough search and the Mlolongo Brothers had a title for the 4,000 acres.

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#108 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 1:02:57 PM
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What did the govt do to syokimauans?

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#109 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 1:20:05 PM
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TITLE DEED ANYONE ?

NOT THE COMMUNAL ONE BUT INDIVIDUAL TITLES.

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT AND SORRY TO EVERYONE WHO MIGHT HAVE SUFFERED SUCH HEARTLESS LOSS.
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#110 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 1:20:26 PM
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im now very jittery about this syokimau saga...for peace of mind can somebody tell me if the DCA,near mlolongo side of syokimau will be affected.i bought approximately 4km from the kangarooz shopping centre.
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