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ali
#1 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 5:57:53 AM
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In the war against al shaabab bandits/goons, we are either doing badly or our press briefing is too down. Why tell us abt the planes carrying weapons to baidoa and badhere? Why did we send you there? Not to tell us what is happening bt to control what is happening. Why didnt you stop the planes? This is war. Ground the planes, destroy the weapons..unless the info received from the villagers. Also, stop telling us abt afmadow and kismayu, from day 2, we've been waiting for u to take the 2 towns...take them and tell us when thru. We need another front: win over the somali community. Many hate al shabs..even hapa eastleigh, engage the people on the ground, they'll give useful info..make them allies as u need them. Mosques..lots of action originate or passes there...we have sheikhs who could provide crucial leads. Bt pls, check on your press releases, they are very wanting.
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Intelligentsia
#2 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 12:46:47 PM
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@ali, they say the first casualty when war breaks out is the truth.
Beware of propaganda!
Some sources say there has been no Eritreans/ or their transports (Antonov cargo planes carrying weapons) anywhere near somalia and all that storo abt 3 planeloads was pure propaganda to actually keep them OUT!
Can I show you some more propaganda?
Google - '15 Kenyan troops killed in Somalia' and you will find a lot of sites which all trace back to presstv.ir, an Iranian mouthpiece that counters anything Western and never corroborates any story before going public.
But I agree about Afmadow, twas too premature to go public with it. Now they have recalled Bogita Ongeri from the MoEd to assist Chirchir who appears a bit naive (kumbuka that storo about donkeys..surely), maybe a change will be noted.
Kausha
#3 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 12:55:55 PM
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I agree with our reasons for going into Somalia but our execution is slowly becoming a joke. Some analysts have said once we are done we need an audit of our preparedness for war. How is it that we went into war ignoring the weather and if at all we knew about the weather what tools do we have for such. I have seen us use lots of the Humvees suggesting they are very well equipped for the terrain but they are few and were a donation from US. Shouldn't we have bought more perhaps, A lot of that chinese equipment - lorries is turning out to be very weak in those terrains.

Quite green of the war leadership to be talking about Afmadow since day two and we have barely moved up to today. By the time we get to Kismayu if we ever will I fear there could be a not so great surprise for us.

All in all kudos to the men who put their bodies on the line and zero marks for the leadership for poor equipment, poor planning and bogus PR.
Burning Spear
#4 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 1:11:54 PM
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Kausha wrote:
I agree with our reasons for going into Somalia but our execution is slowly becoming a joke. Some analysts have said once we are done we need an audit of our preparedness for war. How is it that we went into war ignoring the weather and if at all we knew about the weather what tools do we have for such. I have seen us use lots of the Humvees suggesting they are very well equipped for the terrain but they are few and were a donation from US. Shouldn't we have bought more perhaps, A lot of that chinese equipment - lorries is turning out to be very weak in those terrains.

Quite green of the war leadership to be talking about Afmadow since day two and we have barely moved up to today. By the time we get to Kismayu if we ever will I fear there could be a not so great surprise for us.

All in all kudos to the men who put their bodies on the line and zero marks for the leadership for poor equipment, poor planning and bogus PR.


I blame the bogus PR but not the weather or planning.

The last time i checked,the offensive in Somalia was preceded by a spate of kidnappings of foreigners.
Kenya could not have waited for the rain to stop,mark u,its still raining in some parts of somalia and who knows,a dozen more foreigners could have been kidnapped if we didn't go offensive immidiately.

Preparedness in the military should not be dependent on when it rains or stops but the equipment to do the job and able personnel.What of countries like DRC,cameroon which have rain throughout the year.

Personally,I do not like the analysis of the so called retired (captains,majors etc) who had desk jobs in DOD at the time in the defence forces,as a matter of fact,I do not take their analysis seriously.

People who never participated in any peace keeping,infantry offensive should never give opinions.
"You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it". Malcolm X
Obi 1 Kanobi
#5 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 6:47:28 PM
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I am also starting to wonder how long it will take our armies to move from 5km outside Afmadow to afmadow.

For crying out loud its been 3 weeks since i learnt about that town, why are we still discussing it.

Again on the plane loads of weapons, why can't we simply shoot down the planes, the planners should surely have anticipated such moves, do we have control of the air above where we are operating?
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Intelligentsia
#6 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 6:57:25 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
I am also starting to wonder how long it will take our armies to move from 5km outside Afmadow to afmadow.

For crying out loud its been 3 weeks since i learnt about that town, why are we still discussing it.

Again on the plane loads of weapons, why can't we simply shoot down the planes, the planners should surely have anticipated such moves, do we have control of the air above where we are operating?


Shooting a foreign-registered aircraft, if ever there was one in the first place, would be construed an act of war against the country it is registered in (read Eritrea) and that would regionalize the conflict. However, dropping weapon caches is also a hostile act and by doing so the aircraft automatically becomes a target. The cargo plane (no dount an Antonov\) would be a fat target - and why let the buggers offload anyway?Maybe KDF should be more pro-active and make pre-emptive strikes, and tell us less.

But I agree, Afmadow is not good - the element of surprise at the incursion has been lost and the militants have been given time to regroup & restock Sad
simonkabz
#7 Posted : Tuesday, November 08, 2011 7:25:07 AM
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1. Guerilla army that easily melts into the population. 2. Unknown territory. 3. Rain/muddy roads. 4. Enemy Numbers unknown. 5. Enemy dug in/in a defensive psn. 6. Civilians not allowed to leave. 7. Possible mines 8. Need to plan, replan n review the offensive 8. Planning an exit strategy 9. Need to strictly adhere to the law of armed conflict n geneva/hague conventions. 10. Need to avoid/minimise own casualties.
Rambo tactics in the minds of many kenyans wont work here. Capt. Werunga, a trained soldier n a security expert gives very realistic scenarios if guys would just shed this rambo mentality and listen.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
simonkabz
#8 Posted : Tuesday, November 08, 2011 7:27:50 AM
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Kenya has already achieved so much in just 3wks. What did Ethiopia do in 2yrs? The US in 3 yrs? KDF has done me proud.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Kratos
#9 Posted : Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:49:20 PM
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“These are wild accusations. They could have brought the plane down if indeed it was seen delivering arms in Baidoa. It is not possible that Eritrea can fly arms to Somalia. Not at all,” he said, fighting off the allegations he blames Ethiopia of fabricating."


So the Eritreans are denying arming the al shabaab militia? So do we now have a go ahead and bring down planes that drop off arms since they don't belong to Eritrea?

Prove we are arming al shabaab

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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