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uncertain future for real estate? bubble bust?
Ndaragwa
#16 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 7:51:08 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Interest costs up from 14% to 20% means many families will have problems paying the mortgages unless they cut back on other discretionary spending.

For those who are already straining to pay the mortgage, a loss of one job (if a couple) or an unexpected event can push them over the edge.

I expect defaults to soar 9 months from now. A pity.


Not many families rely on mortgages. For single dwelling units, I think the growth will continue since a lot of those constructions rely on SACCO loans which do not charge high interest on their loans. Some sectors of the real estate industry e.g., those costing over 8 millions per unit will slow down significantly. But with a growing population - its going to take a long time to slow growth of dwelling units costing less than 8 million. ha ha don't ask why 8 million - just an eyeball figure
guru267
#17 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 11:12:49 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Interest costs up from 14% to 20% means many families will have problems paying the mortgages unless they cut back on other discretionary spending.


The mortgage market is still too insignificant and housing demand still too high for property prices to slow its roll upwards
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the deal
#18 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 11:42:15 PM
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If people can not afford how will this property prices go up? Between 2001-2010 property prices have more than tripled...has the GDP done the same? this IMF austerity will slow down property prices...i expect a sharp correction on that front especially the high end of the property market...also the Somali factor is worth considering in the property boom of 2001-2010 but a bubble?...NO.
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19:57 AM
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Are you guys serious, who will take a mortgage at 16.5% base rate. Sacco loans can be taken to build houses, but question is where is the land to put houses at areas that are close to towns.

I think a major slowdown in the uptake of real estate is definitely here, atleast for a short period. Infact the more important question is where will the developers get the money to put up their structures.

I don't understand this Prof. Ndung'u, if th eproblem is the shilling, then why not simply reduce Kenyans appetite for imported goods through enhanced tarrifs and increased duty, why kill domestic credit.
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, November 02, 2011 12:50:01 PM
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Knife and fork in hand; foreclosures anyone?
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#21 Posted : Wednesday, November 02, 2011 1:07:18 PM
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I think real estate development will continue to grow for two main reasons - diaspora money (backed by weak Ksh)and continued use of external financiers
Injere
#22 Posted : Wednesday, November 02, 2011 1:16:02 PM
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To be honest, the writting is on the wall - there will be a correction shortly. The supply of apartments and vacancies has increased.

Wanted to check something with you guys. I have been shown a few units in Nyayo Embakasi, the new phase. This place has thousands on units! Question is: Is this a worthy investment? Prices range about 5M- 5.5M and rents of approx 25-27k. My first concern is the supply - these are thousands of units!! Is capital appreciation a pie in the sky here?
For Sport
#23 Posted : Wednesday, November 02, 2011 2:32:10 PM
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According to a survey conducted by the CBK last year, there were about 15,000 mortgage loan accounts (residential properties) in the country. Average loan size is in the 4 - 6.6 m range.

Look up "Mortgage Finance in Kenya: Survey Analysis."

The industry will not crash as a result of a few of them defaulting.
Mainat
#24 Posted : Wednesday, November 02, 2011 3:15:47 PM
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V common misconception re mortgages..According to CBK's june monthly as at end of June, bank loans for real estate, construction and building were Ksh112bn i.e. just over 10% of all loans. If you add in a portion of Ksh118bn to private households, its even higher...
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For Sport
#25 Posted : Wednesday, November 02, 2011 4:20:55 PM
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Injere wrote:
To be honest, the writting is on the wall - there will be a correction shortly. The supply of apartments and vacancies has increased.

Wanted to check something with you guys. I have been shown a few units in Nyayo Embakasi, the new phase. This place has thousands on units! Question is: Is this a worthy investment? Prices range about 5M- 5.5M and rents of approx 25-27k. My first concern is the supply - these are thousands of units!! Is capital appreciation a pie in the sky here?


You first asked this question a year ago.
Within the year, a lot has changed. Another phase was sold - at a higher price. If you were thinking of taking a loan to invest, now wouldnt be such a great time. You can ask for opinions here but you must at some point decide.
Injere
#26 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:02:20 AM
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ForSport - Thanks! it's true, i still havent made up my mind on this one...still dithering! What's the price of the current lot? Do you know if it's been sold out already?
For Sport
#27 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:47:30 PM
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Injere wrote:
ForSport - Thanks! it's true, i still havent made up my mind on this one...still dithering! What's the price of the current lot? Do you know if it's been sold out already?


Last ad I saw was for 6.1m for the 3 b/r flat. The same units were sold at 5.28m during the last phase.
I dont know whether they are sold out but you could call NSSF and find out...
githundi
#28 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 1:00:04 PM
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For Sport wrote:
Injere wrote:
ForSport - Thanks! it's true, i still havent made up my mind on this one...still dithering! What's the price of the current lot? Do you know if it's been sold out already?


Last ad I saw was for 6.1m for the 3 b/r flat. The same units were sold at 5.28m during the last phase.
I dont know whether they are sold out but you could call NSSF and find out...

stanchart has an offes for Nyayo embakasi. Variable rate @ 11.9 and fixed rate for 1st 5 yrs @ 13.5, Term 20 yrs max. If salaried, i can assist on contacts.
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Injere
#29 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 1:08:08 PM
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Thanks @Githundi/ @ForSport - I will follow up on this issue appropriately. Appreciated.
githundi
#30 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 2:51:57 PM
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Is the demand more than supply? If demand is measured by purchasing power, not just the need for homes, the supply and demand figures are fairly balanced. Note most of purchases for homes, land and vehicles are financed by loans from the banks, and as such, the rise in interest rates will discourage borrowing, or at least the amount the bank is willing to lend. This is because the higher instalments will reduce what one can qualify for while increasing the risk of default for those who have existing loans. The ability to buy will reduce, and consequently reduce real demand on real estate. In the short term at the current interest rates, i expect the prices to stabalize or slightly stagnate. It is for the same reasons that the demand for personal cars will continue to go down as it has always been fuelled by personal loans. Despite the depreciation of the shilling, and contrary to expectations, it will be a buyers market for these cars as result of erosion of disposable income and drying up of personal loans.
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