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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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Just to be clear to anyone looking for a job, each job has a value and the pay is commensurate to the value of the job. It is quite possible that a PHD holder targets a low value job and consequently feels cheated.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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It's shocking how wazuans are quick to justify a salary of 15k pm and blaming the employee for being paid peanuts. Perhaps her bosses should be asked to survive on the 15k for a month and see how motivated and productive they would be. If the govt has even set the minimum pay for househelps at 7500bob (exclusive of free housing, food), how can one justify a salary of 15k for a graduate?
Some are even suggesting that she should wait until she earns '400k' before she starts a family or buys some 1/4kg meat for her kids!
If these heartless wazuans are the kind of bosses littering the corporate scene, then I pity the employees. Mind you 15k is what the bosses are spending on dog food each month!
The fact that there are few jobs available doesn't mean that we result to slavery.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/26/2011 Posts: 759
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alma wrote:I think the problem is that graduates from Kenyan universities think they are very bright and are owed something for their "expertise".
I find it shocking that Kenyan graduates can't type to save their lives. Yet they are on facebook.
I was in a Kenyan college and also been in a college "out there". I have to say, I have never met as many self important people as Kenyan graduates....One had the audacity to tell me that he was so bright, I could not afford him. So I told him to go to where he could be afforded. 2 yrs later, he's still tarmaking.
For about 2 yrs I worked as an intern. With a masters degree to boot. And no, I was not paid peanuts, I was paid nothing!
You try get a Kenyan graduate, even the one who's tarmacking to work as an intern. The guy will go start a riot in Tao.
Sorry, Mr/Ms graduate, the world owes you nothing. You are insignificant and no one needs you as much as you think.
You need to prove to the world that you are worth your boss asking the BOG to increase your "personal" salary. Not set up a website to tell people exactly why you are considered a bad person to employ in the first place. I personally think and have always said in this forum that Kenyans are mis-educated, I didn't go to college in Kenya but where I went to school you're suppose to work hard for everything, what you get paid is how much you're worth, if someone offer 15k a month, sorry you're worth 15k. However, when a doctor is paid 65k I find that offensive and I don't agree with it, so I think there should be a middle ground because no matter how market forces dictate, if a company pays less, it affect productivity, maybe that explain why Kenya companies are worth peanuts!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/8/2008 Posts: 947
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@ Monzerat thanks for making my day. Your point was very direct and logical without the sugar coating! @ new investor there are several site doing what you suggest but it is not for naming and shaming. Glassdoor is a good example of a site that gives info on what to expect. Naming and shaming wont work and if he aim is to have companies pay more you will surely fail. Site like glassdoor are useful to help you determine if a company you might be interested in is worth your time. So if you do want to start the site go for it but not with your useless aim of naming and shaming but with an aim of making money. So as monzerat said you need to get your priorities right. Do you want to make money through advertising? do you want people to pay for access to information? How do you source for the information? Etc! Madam ...think! @ all the other people complaining about ohh employers are bad .... do something about it because it is better than whining and complaining!
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/25/2010 Posts: 111 Location: Nairobi
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Is a college degree worthless? - MSN Money^^ I'd recommend people to read that.It's The U.S but the dissatisfaction ekes third world issues. Quote:Degrees are poor proof of learning
Students want jobs and respect. Degrees bring both. Employers, meanwhile, want smart, capable workers. A degree is a decent enough proxy for intelligence, but we want it to be more than that. We want degrees to mean that students have learned the foundations of human knowledge: literature, chemistry, physics, composition, metaphysics, psychology, economics and so on. If we didn't, we'd replace degrees with inexpensive vocational exams.
Also. Quote: An educated citizenry is healthier, more tolerant, more politically engaged and more fulfilled than an ignorant one. But I refer above to degrees, not education. The two are not the same, even if policymakers talk as though they are.
I mean the situation that you and so many other graduates are in is sad.For the investment you put in,at least you have to expect something good in return,that you are entitled to.Personally I just put the blame squarely on the system.8-4-4 is doing nothing but creating entire generations of zombies.Like the guy I've quoted above has so well put it,having a degree doesn't necessarily mean you are educated and I think you should start from there. Like where you are now,are you easily dispensable?Or you have such mad skills your employer would trade his left nut to keep you.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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Interesting to note that 'jamaa wa mjengo' are earning more than graduates. Fundis are currently earning 700 bob a day or 21k a month. Sad.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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@new investor, so when do we get to see your website? I suggest you call it Saloleaks. On 2nd thought I think it is a great idea. But I shudder when I think how many of us employees would make better bosses than our bosses. Would you even pay minimum wage? Would you adhere to best(not just legal) practices?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/16/2010 Posts: 906 Location: Nairobi
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Are we complaining about corporates or SMEs?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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KenyanLyrics wrote:Are we complaining about corporates or SMEs? The complaint is about the corporates as you can see from the author of the thread below. The same companies that splash millions for social causes while their employees are starving! new investor wrote:Fellow Wazuans,
I am suprised that all of you have turned my question about how to shame low paying big companies like Equity, Kcb, UBA, etc into a discussion of how people get their salaries.
This thought was born out of a realistion that as a graduate earning Kes, 15,000 I depend on my husband for my fare and lunch and sometimes (Like when he's away), I almost miss work.
I tried to put myself in shoes of some of my single friends, and especially, the guys. Who gives them fare when they run out?
Before I got married, my parents encouraged me to take the job and continued supporting me with rent, food etc
What about those whose parents are unable to asist them?
Is it normal for an employed/working graduate to be living on his parents/ spouse?
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/23/2010 Posts: 182 Location: Kenya
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I once worked for a company where the boss used to tell us you are a cost and you should justify why i should not cut costs but if it's an essential cost even if it goes up i will pay. So every body had to work really hard to prove s/he is an essential cost. The rewards were good.
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