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Kenya Versus Al Shabaab
fantony
#141 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:45:52 PM
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quoting the article

Unlike what has reported in your conventional media houses over the last few days, The Kenya Army is not only chasing the Al Shabaab, it is targeting three other groups namely Islamic Front for Liberation of Oromia, Akwan Al Muslimia both of which have been fighting the Ethiopian government.

There is also Ittihad Al Islam.

So serious is Kenya on the war front that a special elite squad that has been undergoing continous desert like training since 2008 and based at Gilgil Army barracks is the one on the frontline supplying intelligence and carving routes of affront for Kenyan soldiers.

The special Elite Forces Squad has been trained to carry out frontline fighting without retreat under harsh conditions.

As a tactical approach the Army which intends to create the buffer zone inside Jubbaland for the long haul, is not ruling out conscription – especially of young unemployed youth.

The conscripted youths will be subjected to short military courses and then dispatched to the front line in the interest of the country. In recent times nations have been abolishing conscription as a form of military recruitment.

However, that will not happen during the initial phases of the war but eventually to sustain the buffer zone on the anticipated new autonomous Azania state.
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#142 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:47:05 PM
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Thats not all, the whole Kenyan ambition was hinted to by PS Internal Security Francis Kimemia during a Sunday live interview with Julie Gichuru on Citizen TV, he said, ” we want that area that Al Shabaab has been holding then we can have the refugees stay there and exploit the irrigation and agricultural potential of the area.”

According to yet another cable, The whole operation, was being funded by China, “A 17 February memo from the US embassy in Nairobi said China was providing weapons to Kenya “in support of its Somalia policies”, and computers and telecommunications equipment to the Kenyan National Security and Intelligence Service (NSIS).

The memo said that, in January, China provided “weapons, ammunition, supplies, and textiles for making uniforms” via the Chinese military import-export corporation Catic.
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#143 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2011 12:03:37 AM
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Kibaki vows to defend territory against militant attacks
http://www.businessdaily...96/-/s80v96/-/index.html
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#144 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2011 12:07:41 AM
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I haven't heard any concrete news on casualties. Was the killing of 75 militants as reported in some quarters true? Apart from the 5 who perished in the helicopter crash, have we lost others?
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#145 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2011 12:31:08 AM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
I haven't heard any concrete news on casualties. Was the killing of 75 militants as reported in some quarters true? Apart from the 5 who perished in the helicopter crash, have we lost others?

Shebab losses over 100. Own losses nil (apart from the 5) from reliable sources.
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#146 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2011 1:20:13 AM
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simonkabz wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
I haven't heard any concrete news on casualties. Was the killing of 75 militants as reported in some quarters true? Apart from the 5 who perished in the helicopter crash, have we lost others?

Shebab losses over 100. Own losses nil (apart from the 5) from reliable sources.

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#147 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2011 10:03:51 AM
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Al-Shabab claims peacekeepers' killings
Somali anti-government fighters display what they say are bodies of more than 70 Burundian soldiers killed in battle.
http://www.aljazeera.com...2011102141422988953.html
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#148 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2011 10:57:40 AM
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yaani we didn't even tell cousin barry we are going into somalia

"As fierce fighting spread to new areas of Somalia on Thursday, American officials said they had been taken by surprise by Kenya’s recent march into Somalia to battle Islamist militants."
http://www.nytimes.com/2...-officials-say.html?_r=1
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#149 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2011 11:33:45 AM
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normally and historically when a nation does such a bold move, it's usually after very careful thinking, good research and intelligence.

also, their is usually alot of information with the authorities (army and president's team) that is not known by we citizens.

I pray that for our country kenya, this was well thought out and will not cause any regrettable consequences.

ION, ati al-shabaab is a very small outfit 2500 men, didn't know that.

ION.. http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/2011/10/19/kenya-invades-somalia-does-it-get-any-dumber/ and the comments as well
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#150 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2011 12:12:36 PM
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subzero wrote:
normally and historically when a nation does such a bold move, it's usually after very careful thinking, good research and intelligence.

also, their is usually alot of information with the authorities (army and president's team) that is not known by we citizens.

I pray that for our country kenya, this was well thought out and will not cause any regrettable consequences.

ION, ati al-shabaab is a very small outfit 2500 men, didn't know that.

ION.. http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/2011/10/19/kenya-invades-somalia-does-it-get-any-dumber/ and the comments as well


...or one informed by potential threats to attack our motherland.......noticed some near full combat security detail manning Treasury building in the morningSad
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#151 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2011 11:01:56 PM
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Kibaki ako juu sana, kazi iendelee!!
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#152 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2011 11:04:39 PM
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[quote=mkonomtupu]yaani we didn't even tell cousin barry we are going into somalia

"As fierce fighting spread to new areas of Somalia on Thursday, American officials said they had been taken by surprise by Kenya’s recent march into Somalia to battle Islamist militants."
http://www.nytimes.com/2...officials-say.html?_r=1[/quote]
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#153 Posted : Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:01:15 AM
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C&P from Times blog titled "Kenya Invades Somalia. Does It Get Any Dumber?"

"So what does Kenya think it's doing? On Sunday, a force estimated variously at a few hundred to 2,000 Kenyan soldiers crossed the border into Somalia into pursuit of militants from the Somali Islamist group, al-Shabab."

"Even if the occupiers can extract themselves from the literal quagmire, analysts unanimously agree they will find it all but impossible to avoid becoming militarily bogged down. Faced with al-Shabab's well-armed, experienced and more numerous guerrillas - fighters who two years ago saw off a far fiercer, better trained and bigger Ethiopian force - Kenya's soldiers seem headed for deadlock at best and, at worst, bloody defeat. What's worse, the Kenyan invasion seems likely to reunify al-Shabab just as it was in danger of splintering over disagreements about leadership and whether to accept aid to alleviate an ongoing famine in southern Somalia. It could even help restore al-Shabab's plummeting local support."

Well the responses from the article by Kenyans was so on point......and UNITED
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#154 Posted : Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:01:54 AM
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subzero wrote:
normally and historically when a nation does such a bold move, it's usually after very careful thinking, good research and intelligence.

also, their is usually alot of information with the authorities (army and president's team) that is not known by we citizens.

I pray that for our country kenya, this was well thought out and will not cause any regrettable consequences.

ION, ati al-shabaab is a very small outfit 2500 men, didn't know that.

ION.. http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/2011/10/19/kenya-invades-somalia-does-it-get-any-dumber/ and the comments as well

Nice piece. They may be more than the kenyan troops but I don't suppose al shabaab has tanks and fighter jets.
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#155 Posted : Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:55:48 PM
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Euge wrote:
[quote=mkonomtupu] yaani we didn't even tell cousin barry we are going into somalia

"As fierce fighting spread to new areas of Somalia on Thursday, American officials said they had been taken by surprise by Kenya’s recent march into Somalia to battle Islamist militants."
http://www.nytimes.com/2...officials-say.html?_r=1[/quote]
We needed not tell him. He is not big brother

And you actually believe their denial? Of course they must have been told beforehand. The denial is just for public consumption.
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fantony
#156 Posted : Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:01:09 PM
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Elder wrote:
Euge wrote:
[quote=mkonomtupu] yaani we didn't even tell cousin barry we are going into somalia

"As fierce fighting spread to new areas of Somalia on Thursday, American officials said they had been taken by surprise by Kenya’s recent march into Somalia to battle Islamist militants."
http://www.nytimes.com/2...officials-say.html?_r=1[/quote]
We needed not tell him. He is not big brother

And you actually believe their denial? Of course they must have been told beforehand. The denial is just for public consumption.


not only are they misleading the public as usual...

As americans they have spies within our spies so there must be a guy in the US state department who is updated on the progress of this operation more than even Ba Jim and RAO...

On second thought, I have read that dennis ole itumbi article over and over i can't see any necessity of china partaking in somalia... this operation smells like US & the CIA in particular..

i just hope it does not turn out results similar to the bay of pigs fiasco...
Mpenzi
#157 Posted : Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:43:01 PM
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Of course the US was in the know and must be covertly supporting the military action.


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#158 Posted : Saturday, October 22, 2011 9:24:22 PM
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Mpenzi wrote:
Of course the US was in the know and must be covertly supporting the military action.

definitely! They sometimes act like vigeugeu distancing themselves from actions they were part of. Under Bush, they pushed Kenya into allowing South Sudanese tanks to pass through Kenya. When Obama took power, they distanced themselves from the arms deal and left Kenya in an odd situation.
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#159 Posted : Sunday, October 23, 2011 9:20:26 AM
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US planes join the bombing. Me thinks that the US has been part of the planning but have chosen to be in the background to avoid it looking like a Western invasion.

http://www.nation.co.ke/...28/-/159de5/-/index.html
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#160 Posted : Tuesday, October 25, 2011 12:22:27 AM
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Why should we start by chasing the tail in Somalia when the head is right here in Kenya? Aren’t we in the process giving the head ample warning to take cover; also the time to plot some deadly retaliation on innocent Kenyans?
http://www.nation.co.ke/...t/-/lkhro1/-/index.html

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