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Maili Valu
#1 Posted : Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:59:46 AM
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hello guyz..

1. how do i get to open an account for t-bills?

2. can i do it through a proxy? i live in rwanda.

3. Minimum amount is 100k. right?


After much thought and self searching, and a bit of calculations, I have come to the realization that I can invest in 91day t-bills and roll over to new subsequent issues and effectively earn an interest of about 50% p.a

my assumptions ,not professionally certain, are the lowest interest will be until august next year is 13%, plus its an election year, plus a huge public budget deficit.

or could i be missing something?
merci.
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:19:12 AM
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Maili Valu wrote:
hello guyz..

1. how do i get to open an account for t-bills?

2. can i do it through a proxy? i live in rwanda.

3. Minimum amount is 100k. right?


After much thought and self searching, and a bit of calculations, I have come to the realization that I can invest in 91day t-bills and roll over to new subsequent issues and effectively earn an interest of about 50% p.a

my assumptions ,not professionally certain, are the lowest interest will be until august next year is 13%, plus its an election year, plus a huge public budget deficit.

or could i be missing something?
merci.


Maili Valu, you can do it from Rwanda...follow the RINK
http://www.centralbank.g...ties/KenyansAbroad.aspx

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me&myself
#3 Posted : Tuesday, October 11, 2011 9:56:57 AM
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@ maili valu....

The T-bill rate is 14.8% per annum and not per 91days...
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:30:14 PM
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me&myself wrote:
@ maili valu....

The T-bill rate is 14.8% per annum and not per 91days...


which means for 91 days its 14.8/4 = 3.7%....minus tax.
...We do it for the $$$$!!
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me&myself
#5 Posted : Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:50:00 PM
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@ Trizher

Correct, this should help...

http://www.centralbank.g...bills/Introduction.aspx
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the deal
#6 Posted : Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:13:29 PM
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trizher wrote:
me&myself wrote:
@ maili valu....

The T-bill rate is 14.8% per annum and not per 91days...


which means for 91 days its 14.8/4 = 3.7%....minus tax.

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hisah
#7 Posted : Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:53:56 PM
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the deal wrote:
trizher wrote:
me&myself wrote:
@ maili valu....

The T-bill rate is 14.8% per annum and not per 91days...


which means for 91 days its 14.8/4 = 3.7%....minus tax.

Sad Sad


While the average savings rate is 1.37%pa (Aug 2011) so the monthly rate is peanuts... The bank deposit rate is 4.07%pa (Aug 2011) thus the monthly rate is still peanuts...
The idea is to rollover the T-bill as the rates keep spiking beyond the annual average inflation for September currently at 10.18 per cent. Note this is not the monthly rate which is 17.3% at the moment.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:54:53 PM
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@the deal, yes but its still better than the 4% almost all banks are willing to offer for fixed saving.
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the deal
#9 Posted : Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:59:22 PM
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Impunity wrote:
@the deal, yes but its still better than the 4% almost all banks are willing to offer for fixed saving.

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amolo
#10 Posted : Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:01:11 PM
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Another important thing is T Bills pay interest IN ADVANCE. Technically this means you can re-invest the interest the following week to earn interest on the interest. With a bit of luck depending on how you bid you can get interest rates above weighted average for the week (which is used for non competetive bids). 14.836% was weighted average of accepted bids for last week. Some people got higher interest, some lower according to how they bid. If you do not want to risk missing bid AVERAGE.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:52:16 PM
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If u know how to cal bond prices at Par, discount and premium then I welcome u to bond trading
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, October 11, 2011 9:35:00 PM
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@deal. ???? Ofcourse we know. What is your question
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the deal
#13 Posted : Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:40:53 AM
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MatataMingi wrote:
@deal. ???? Ofcourse we know. What is your question

Stocks are my bread and butter...we should exchange email's...i pretty weak on fixed income securitiessmile
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Eric_Nyamu
#14 Posted : Monday, December 19, 2011 9:56:16 AM
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trizher wrote:
me&myself wrote:
@ maili valu....

The T-bill rate is 14.8% per annum and not per 91days...


which means for 91 days its 14.8/4 = 3.7%....minus tax.


wooooooW 91 day is now at 18% !!!!! thats 6% per month in a bear market way better than fixed deposit a/c
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hisah
#15 Posted : Monday, December 19, 2011 10:34:25 AM
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Eric_Nyamu wrote:
trizher wrote:
me&myself wrote:
@ maili valu....

The T-bill rate is 14.8% per annum and not per 91days...


which means for 91 days its 14.8/4 = 3.7%....minus tax.


wooooooW 91 day is now at 18% !!!!! thats 6% per month in a bear market way better than fixed deposit a/c

18% pa cannot be 6% pm. Aje sasa... And of course it pays better than fixed deposit. Treasury will continue being a better payer than banks for some time until the takataka siringi is completely creamed off the system.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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#16 Posted : Monday, December 19, 2011 10:41:33 AM
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hisah wrote:
Eric_Nyamu wrote:
trizher wrote:
me&myself wrote:
@ maili valu....

The T-bill rate is 14.8% per annum and not per 91days...


which means for 91 days its 14.8/4 = 3.7%....minus tax.


wooooooW 91 day is now at 18% !!!!! thats 6% per month in a bear market way better than fixed deposit a/c

18% pa cannot be 6% pm. Aje sasa... And of course it pays better than fixed deposit. Treasury will continue being a better payer than banks for some time until the takataka siringi is completely creamed off the system.


lol. didnt know it p.a but still high though i agree
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#17 Posted : Monday, December 19, 2011 11:30:53 AM
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Eric_Nyamu wrote:
trizher wrote:
me&myself wrote:
@ maili valu....

The T-bill rate is 14.8% per annum and not per 91days...


which means for 91 days its 14.8/4 = 3.7%....minus tax.


wooooooW 91 day is now at 18% !!!!! thats 6% per month in a bear market way better than fixed deposit a/c

Mr. QW aka buy-sell-sell-buy should ask folks before payukaring his ignorance here... Hope he makes Resolutions to improve himself in 2012. And follows through.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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For Sport
#18 Posted : Thursday, January 05, 2012 9:57:07 PM
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91 day T/Bill now at 20 %
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hisah
#19 Posted : Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:34:27 PM
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For Sport wrote:
91 day T/Bill now at 20 %

And I hope you are not still taking notes smile
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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#20 Posted : Thursday, January 05, 2012 11:37:30 PM
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So if its at 20% PA, is this a fixed rate or is there a possibillity that when you rollover, the rate may have been adjusted downwards to say 13%??? Im pretty sure these rates fluctuate meaning you will be a net loser when the rates eventually adjust downwards. It just doesnt make sense to me to tie your money in a Tbill and lament when the stock market turns around and you have to buy stocks at a higher price coz you were all tied up. But to each her own.
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