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Total issues a profit warning
ammy
#11 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 12:26:23 PM
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FUNKY wrote:
Guys KK have already issued a "PROFIT ADVICE".

stop misleading guys @funky. the profit advise by KK was issued for 1st half 2011. You can get the Total release on the NSE page

http://www.nse.co.ke/lis...pany-announcements.html

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#12 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 12:37:37 PM
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is it the USD?
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#13 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 2:21:39 PM
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guru267 wrote:
KK will also be negatively affected by the weakening shilling.. things will not be as rosy as we expect . .

@guru267,@vvs. But KK is lucky to have diversified into non oil biz and has presence in , is it, 6 countries?
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Aguytrying
#14 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 3:33:01 PM
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I love the pessimism being expressed about KK here. MTASHANGAA! I predict in the not too distant future KK will be trading at the price of TOTAL and vice versa. I expect 60%+ profit from KK for end Year 2011. (86% H1)
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QW25081985
#15 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 3:48:15 PM
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Volume never lies. Do u think they'll be selling if the future is rosy.
I have a feeling it will be touching sub 7 bob real soon.
Oh yes the weak ksh will eat into their profits big time.
@aguytrying . 86% really. With a bulk of their revenue coming from kenya ? Please stop dreaming.
VituVingiSana
#16 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 4:41:48 PM
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I think KK will suffer some 'loss' due to weak KES but they will gain market share over the next few months since some small OMCs will close up shop!

Of course, KK can always roll back the Deal Poa to shore up the margins! I will only fill at KK on Deal Poa days!
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stocksmaster
#17 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 5:07:45 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
I think KK will suffer some 'loss' due to weak KES but they will gain market share over the next few months since some small OMCs will close up shop!

Of course, KK can always roll back the Deal Poa to shore up the margins! I will only fill at KK on Deal Poa days!


The Kenyan Oil market currently resembles what has been happening in the Kenyan Pharmaceutical Industry.

A dominant player is able to act as both a wholesaler and retailer in the same market. What happens is that the Wholesaler begins selling to the final consumer at prices which he would have sold to the retailer, effectively eliminating the retailer from the chain.

KK is going even further and is monopolising the entire chain from Importation, to Wholesaling to Retailing. As such, it can effectively sell at wholesale prices at the pump (retail level) effectively killing the retail level competition (and hence the profit warnings by competitors).

Its large African retail network coupled with its OTC supplies is neccessitating bulk oil purchases that create economies of scale (lower overall procurement price) and hence the need to increase storage facilities to support the bulk purchasing.

The down side is the need also for higher debt to facilitate the bulk purchases which will considerably increase finance costs especially with the weakening shilling.

Going forward, i still expect the company to report above Ksh 2 EPS for 2011 (Second Half EPS of at least Ksh 0.53).

A price below Ksh 9 will thus be highly welcome for purposes of accumulating more shares in this company.

Happy hunting.
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the deal
#18 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 6:00:34 PM
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You have to analyse the balance sheet of the two companies to undersrand the genesis of thr price warning.in fact Total can not go for 2 month without borrowing working capital otherwise operations at Total will stop...thus the need for frequent borrowings in this high interest rates envrmnt..since oil is bought im USD and they don't borrow in USD..the weak Sh just results in a high bill thus rhe need to borrow more funds which results in high finance costs..with price ctrls they can't pass on this to consumers...Segman is smart...it was just the otherday he did a CP to finance his working capital
StatMeister
#19 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2011 9:06:58 AM
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the deal wrote:
You have to analyse the balance sheet of the two companies to undersrand the genesis of thr price warning.in fact Total can not go for 2 month without borrowing working capital otherwise operations at Total will stop...thus the need for frequent borrowings in this high interest rates envrmnt..since oil is bought im USD and they don't borrow in USD..the weak Sh just results in a high bill thus rhe need to borrow more funds which results in high finance costs..with price ctrls they can't pass on this to consumers...Segman is smart...it was just the otherday he did a CP to finance his working capital


Do you have this on the contarian investor?
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the deal
#20 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:22:57 AM
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StatMeister wrote:
the deal wrote:
You have to analyse the balance sheet of the two companies to undersrand the genesis of thr price warning.in fact Total can not go for 2 month without borrowing working capital otherwise operations at Total will stop...thus the need for frequent borrowings in this high interest rates envrmnt..since oil is bought im USD and they don't borrow in USD..the weak Sh just results in a high bill thus rhe need to borrow more funds which results in high finance costs..with price ctrls they can't pass on this to consumers...Segman is smart...it was just the otherday he did a CP to finance his working capital


Do you have this on the contarian investor?

It's all in the balance sheet man...only reason banks keep giving them credit is cos they use their inventory as security...remember Triton and how it almost broke KCB's back smile
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