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Ksh at its weakest since it floated in 1994
kaifastus
#361 Posted : Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:55:39 PM
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speculation has taken a negative turn in kenya..land forex,stocks(rise of technicians and shrt sellers) just like forbes...then pple start lukng for sm1 or smthng to blame when expectations of profit come tumbling down..those of us who ave goten a chance to interact with prof ndungu at AERC grad school will agree hes very brilliant.arrgnt perhaps but a top notch economist. we cant raise intrst rates now.its bad 4 biz.lets watch how the sh behaves next wk.
Cde Monomotapa
#362 Posted : Friday, September 30, 2011 6:38:47 AM
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kaifastus wrote:
speculation has taken a negative turn in kenya..land forex,stocks(rise of technicians and shrt sellers) just like forbes...then pple start lukng for sm1 or smthng to blame when expectations of profit come tumbling down..those of us who ave goten a chance to interact with prof ndungu at AERC grad school will agree hes very brilliant.arrgnt perhaps but a top notch economist. we cant raise intrst rates now.its bad 4 biz.lets watch how the sh behaves next wk.

Real Talk - 2011 goes to the hop-scotch speculators & market timers. My confidence in Prof. Ndung'u is still intact too as he always takes good care of the long-players segment at the end of the day. (twas painful to read the slander all about)
hisah
#363 Posted : Friday, September 30, 2011 11:55:43 AM
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USDKES 100/- handle is the line in the sand for this fight club... Whoever can sustain the most blows and remain standing will rule the day. And that day points to 110/- instead of sub 100... Sad
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#364 Posted : Sunday, October 02, 2011 5:17:27 PM
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Money & politics... Now the politicians will save the shilling. What a superb financial instrument this... The lukewarm subscription of the 12 yr infra bond also sold to the diaspora points to the investors winning round 1 in this fight club... The longer it takes to bite the bullet, the sharper the pain will get. Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures and the regulator is still sleeping on the job. Good luck...

http://www.nation.co.ke/...006/1246290/-/86988qz/-/
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
kizee1
#365 Posted : Sunday, October 02, 2011 7:09:43 PM
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the house comittee will give it findings after 4months! can anyone tell this clowns that by then we could have been to 120 and back down? 4 months ago kes was ine mid 80s...
Mainat
#366 Posted : Sunday, October 02, 2011 8:25:43 PM
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Zero idea. I'll vote for ze guy who outlaws commissions/committee of inquiry. Its a moiesque nonsense without parallel that says we don't know what we are doing but we are going to pretend
Sehemu ndio nyumba
Njung'e
#367 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 9:53:33 AM
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http://www.businessdaily...1/-/27ojfv/-/index.html

From this article,what is the most likely scenario going forward?.
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kizee1
#368 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 10:05:58 AM
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Njung'e wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/New+trading+rules+hit+banks+forex+income/-/539552/1246508/-/item/1/-/27ojfv/-/index.html

From this article,what is the most likely scenario going forward?.



cbk will sell to importers and erode reserves...it will then come to the same market it has demonized to shore up the same? how is this a solution?
'user'
#369 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 10:27:22 AM
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kizee1 wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/New+trading+rules+hit+banks+forex+income/-/539552/1246508/-/item/1/-/27ojfv/-/index.html

From this article,what is the most likely scenario going forward?.



cbk will sell to importers and erode reserves...it will then come to the same market it has demonized to shore up the same? how is this a solution?


CBK is in a tight corner , just kicking and throwing 360 degree punches to free itself .We should rather keep on giving suggestions on how to save the shilling.
CBK is now totally short of ideas .
2012 is here.Kenya is Ours.Be Part of The Peace Keeping Mission To Protect Our Motherland.Say No To Violence and Tribal Hatred .If you can read this,wewe ni mtu amesoma, usifikirie kama mtu hajaenda shule .Ni Hayo Tu
KulaRaha
#370 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 10:31:45 AM
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Lets look at this soberly.

In July, Kenya imported KES 104B worth of goods, and exported 43B.

There was a net shortfall of KES 61B of forex needed.

That same month CBK reserves went up 5.5B while banks reserves went up 17.5B.

There's just too much demand for forex and not enough supply!

I see 110.00 easily.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
'user'
#371 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 10:33:36 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Lets look at this soberly.

In July, Kenya imported KES 104B worth of goods, and exported 43B.

There was a net shortfall of KES 61B of forex needed.

That same month CBK reserves went up 5.5B while banks reserves went up 17.5B.

There's just too much demand for forex and not enough supply!

I see 110.00 easily.


what should be done to avoid 110? your views please?
2012 is here.Kenya is Ours.Be Part of The Peace Keeping Mission To Protect Our Motherland.Say No To Violence and Tribal Hatred .If you can read this,wewe ni mtu amesoma, usifikirie kama mtu hajaenda shule .Ni Hayo Tu
Chaka
#372 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 10:37:28 AM
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[quote='user'
what should be done to avoid 110? your views please?[/quote]

Ban imports that we can do without
'user'
#373 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 10:41:23 AM
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Chaka wrote:
[quote='user'
what should be done to avoid 110? your views please?


Ban imports that we can do without[/quote]
Good one , I was disturbed to find chinese with a stand at the Nairobi international show selling imported hawkers products.
what value do these products add to the economy?Some of these things can be produced locally and be of higher quality

It is however not CBKs job to ban imports.


2012 is here.Kenya is Ours.Be Part of The Peace Keeping Mission To Protect Our Motherland.Say No To Violence and Tribal Hatred .If you can read this,wewe ni mtu amesoma, usifikirie kama mtu hajaenda shule .Ni Hayo Tu
FUNKY
#374 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 10:48:38 AM
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CBK cannot ban imports but us "KENYANS" can stop buying imported stuff and buy only locally manufactured products. This can also help.
KulaRaha
#375 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 10:48:41 AM
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'user' wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Lets look at this soberly.

In July, Kenya imported KES 104B worth of goods, and exported 43B.

There was a net shortfall of KES 61B of forex needed.

That same month CBK reserves went up 5.5B while banks reserves went up 17.5B.

There's just too much demand for forex and not enough supply!

I see 110.00 easily.


what should be done to avoid 110? your views please?


See, we have a govt that's spending faster than the economy can keep up. This fiscal year (June 2011 to June 2012) they want to borrow 120B from the public. So far, as at end Sept, they are 60B behind in their borrowings. That means two things: either they're not paying the right rates, or there isn't enough money for them to borrow.

So, what now? lets see. 60B shortfall, where to find this money? Any guesses who might have 60B public money stashed away somewhere? Any educated guesses?
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
kizee1
#376 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 11:03:23 AM
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Chaka wrote:
[quote='user'
what should be done to avoid 110? your views please?


Ban imports that we can do without[/quote]


maybe not ban but levy sufficient taxes to discourage these
KulaRaha
#377 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 11:37:31 AM
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Ban imports? Lets see...if we take the import bill for July 2011 and break it down, this is how it looks:

Industrial supplies (non food) 34%
Fuel 22%
food and bev 10%
machinery and capital equipment 15%
transport 11%
other goods 8%

So now, what can we ban/levy higher taxes and replace with local goods? Food and bev I suppose. So we save 10% on our import bill, that's 10B.

Really, there isn't much of a solution in sight for this problem.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
'user'
#378 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 12:04:57 PM
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Ksh 60billions is small money .that is if we had a serious government.

If only the first families(Kenyatta Moi & Kibaki brought back what is invested out there.
2012 is here.Kenya is Ours.Be Part of The Peace Keeping Mission To Protect Our Motherland.Say No To Violence and Tribal Hatred .If you can read this,wewe ni mtu amesoma, usifikirie kama mtu hajaenda shule .Ni Hayo Tu
Mainat
#379 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 12:23:01 PM
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I'd only advocate a ban on food and beverages, the rest I think we can levy a higher tax so we earn a bit more.
The problem is that this may in the short-term translate to higher inflation.
The key is still proper fx controls for a period 6-12 months until the Europeans get their backsides in gear
Sehemu ndio nyumba
KulaRaha
#380 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 12:32:48 PM
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Mainat wrote:
I'd only advocate a ban on food and beverages, the rest I think we can levy a higher tax so we earn a bit more.
The problem is that this may in the short-term translate to higher inflation.
The key is still proper fx controls for a period 6-12 months until the Europeans get their backsides in gear


So you levy higher taxes on raw materials and fuel? isn't that more painful than banning food imports?

FX controls are a waste of time...what will you control really? It will just assist in corruption.

The solution here is efficiency. The way our money is being spent is not efficient. There is a lot of leakage and cash goes missing all the time. If we can stop leakage which amounts to perhaps 20 to 40B a year minimum, imagine how the pressure will ease on both interest and exchange rates.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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