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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
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masukuma wrote:mukiha wrote:Impunity wrote:Me I think the people who should be at the Hague are those who stole the votes in 2007; beginning with those who facilitated midnight swearing-in ceremony and the one who accepted to be sworn in at that ridiculous hour.
Thats when njustice will be served.
Othaura falls squarely in this category. Please stick to the facts. There has never been such a ceremony in Kenya - ever!! perhaps you are referring to the one conducted at about 5pm...7 hours BEFORE midnight! Why are you stopping them?...it was once considered a 'late afternoon swearing in' ceremony, it slowly moved up the ladder and became a 'night swearing in' ceremony and now its already a 'midnight swearing in'. if they proceed like this it will be an 'early bird' swearing in ceremony next year and a midday swearing in ceremony by 2013. by 2015 it will have reverted back to the late afternoon swearing in ceremony it once was. Ama Impunity wanted to say that it was midnight somewhere on the globe (perhaps china) The old constitution did not stipulate at what time the president should be sworn in. Am not sure if the current one does. Lord, thank you!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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Kratos wrote:YesuWangu wrote:Kratos wrote:YesuWangu wrote:Gosh, numerous and passionate sentiment expressed quite liberally.
Its like christmas. Anyway, my score for UK performance would be as follows:
accusing RAO - 10 out of 10
absolving RAO - 9 out of 10
disengaging himself from the relevant allegations - 3 out of 10.
Again it depends on your political affiliation. You choose to see what you want to see  Maybe I choose to also note that he made a distinction between politics and crime and said he has no evidence linking RAO to weapons and the crime? Anyway, for go to great lengths to implicate ones adversary only to conclude that there is no relevant evidence is such an anticlimax. Is that politics? Exactly. All politics. What about not opposing the accusations but merely referring the accuser to some place else? That was not emphatic enough. I would have expected him to discredit the author, that which the accuser quoted, in the same fashion they have done to the others. To go guns blazing against this 'witness' so to show he cannot be relied upon, maybe a gun for hire. He did not. The witness still stands, unwilling though he may be. His offence was good, his defence well..... I hope you understand my marking scheme? No? Again....this is tiring....you insist on seeing what you chose to see Tiring? It is only starting. I take courage that you have not contradicted what I have said. How can you contradict it? What is there to contradict? It is sad that you feel tired already. I am fired up.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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YesuWangu wrote:Kratos wrote:YesuWangu wrote:Kratos wrote:YesuWangu wrote:Gosh, numerous and passionate sentiment expressed quite liberally.
Its like christmas. Anyway, my score for UK performance would be as follows:
accusing RAO - 10 out of 10
absolving RAO - 9 out of 10
disengaging himself from the relevant allegations - 3 out of 10.
Again it depends on your political affiliation. You choose to see what you want to see Maybe I choose to also note that he made a distinction between politics and crime and said he has no evidence linking RAO to weapons and the crime? Anyway, for go to great lengths to implicate ones adversary only to conclude that there is no relevant evidence is such an anticlimax. Is that politics? Exactly. All politics. What about not opposing the accusations but merely referring the accuser to some place else? That was not emphatic enough. I would have expected him to discredit the author, that which the accuser quoted, in the same fashion they have done to the others. To go guns blazing against this 'witness' so to show he cannot be relied upon, maybe a gun for hire. He did not. The witness still stands, unwilling though he may be. His offence was good, his defence well..... I hope you understand my marking scheme? No? Again....this is tiring....you insist on seeing what you chose to see Tiring? It is only starting. I take courage that you have not contradicted what I have said. How can you contradict it? What is there to contradict? It is sad that you feel tired already. I am fired up. You use soo many words to say nothing boss.From your analysis it is quite evident that you are biased so you draw conclusion to what may or may not be evidence and how it should be treated. Its definitely tiring to argue when the other party thinks his/her position is the only way.Kama unataka kuambiwa umeshinda then.....UMESHINDA! FYI Raila (RAO) and Yesu shouldn't appear on the same page..its just wrong and sad 
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,907
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It's a Sunday jameni...
If @Kratos cannot say 3 good things about Raila, and @YesuWangu 3 good things about Uhuru, then I think both politicians could have more to their mettle than these two biased Wazuans...
How do you expect to show people the truth if you are both laden with bias!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/26/2009 Posts: 1,793
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Euge wrote:masukuma wrote:mukiha wrote:Impunity wrote:Me I think the people who should be at the Hague are those who stole the votes in 2007; beginning with those who facilitated midnight swearing-in ceremony and the one who accepted to be sworn in at that ridiculous hour.
Thats when njustice will be served.
Othaura falls squarely in this category. Please stick to the facts. There has never been such a ceremony in Kenya - ever!! perhaps you are referring to the one conducted at about 5pm...7 hours BEFORE midnight! Why are you stopping them?...it was once considered a 'late afternoon swearing in' ceremony, it slowly moved up the ladder and became a 'night swearing in' ceremony and now its already a 'midnight swearing in'. if they proceed like this it will be an 'early bird' swearing in ceremony next year and a midday swearing in ceremony by 2013. by 2015 it will have reverted back to the late afternoon swearing in ceremony it once was. Ama Impunity wanted to say that it was midnight somewhere on the globe (perhaps china) The old constitution did not stipulate at what time the president should be sworn in. Am not sure if the current one does. nyinyi ndio mulidanganywa...those are not things to be put in a constitution! the day - perhaps, the hour? hiyo ni ya kuwekwa kwa programme of the day. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/11/2006 Posts: 919
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Mass action is allowed in the constitution but people should not misuse it by manipulating the law. What if elections were not rigged, would that not make the mass action a crime? And when mass action turns violent and someone spreads propaganda against a community like (1 against 41, how does kibaki feel to know he has been elected by two tribes only, boycotting business by kikuyus etc )in that charged atmosphere, isnt that creating hatred against a community? SUggesting violence by making statements like "the price of democracy will have to be paid, which is very expensive" Defending arsonists of kiambaa church was justifying and encouraging violence. If mass action leads to ethnic cleansing, does it serve the purpose it is intended? “Invest in yourself. Your career is the engine of your wealth.”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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ngapat wrote:Mass action is allowed in the constitution but people should not misuse it by manipulating the law. What if elections were not rigged, would that not make the mass action a crime? And when mass action turns violent and someone spreads propaganda against a community like (1 against 41, how does kibaki feel to know he has been elected by two tribes only, boycotting business by kikuyus etc )in that charged atmosphere, isnt that creating hatred against a community? SUggesting violence by making statements like "the price of democracy will have to be paid, which is very expensive" Defending arsonists of kiambaa church was justifying and encouraging violence. If mass action leads to ethnic cleansing, does it serve the purpose it is intended? "No Raila No Peace" as Kiambaa & the Rift happens. He then goes to say "we have to pay the price for democracy".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Kenya=Yugoslavia. This godforsaken country may not stand the test of time. Until the day the 'reformist' CRIMINAL faces charges just like the 6, there will be no justice. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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simonkabz wrote:Kenya=Yugoslavia. This godforsaken country may not stand the test of time. Until the day the 'reformist' CRIMINAL faces charges just like the 6, there will be no justice. Kenya is nothing compared to any of those conflicts...this is shadow. as kenyans we love to blow things out of proportions. until we experience what Baby Doc did to Haiti, we should be thankful that it ended when it did. I Haiti people were killed and the president ordered that their corpses should be left to rot on the street. they would like any other animal Bulge and their stomachs would burst! We don't even to that to our dogs! Vita ya mishale is so prehistoric! i think Europe stopped using it circa 1500BC. you cannot compare that to vita ya risasi na majeshi ama vita ya mabombu. In the grand scheme of things - PEV was a 'skirmish' All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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the one thing that sticks out of all this is - WHY WASN'T RAILA QUESTIONED? (hata ya kutufunga macho) All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Kehoe, Ali's lawyer to play a 20-min video on kenyan police and mungiki!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/11/2006 Posts: 919
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I remember during PEV, the police were accused of using excessive force. Funny to see ali accused by LMO of not acting. What a contradiction? “Invest in yourself. Your career is the engine of your wealth.”
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/21/2007 Posts: 326
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ngapat wrote:I remember during PEV, the police were accused of using excessive force. Funny to see ali accused by LMO of not acting. What a contradiction? did you mean selective use of excessive force? Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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Euge wrote:masukuma wrote:mukiha wrote:Impunity wrote:Me I think the people who should be at the Hague are those who stole the votes in 2007; beginning with those who facilitated midnight swearing-in ceremony and the one who accepted to be sworn in at that ridiculous hour.
Thats when njustice will be served.
Othaura falls squarely in this category. Please stick to the facts. There has never been such a ceremony in Kenya - ever!! perhaps you are referring to the one conducted at about 5pm...7 hours BEFORE midnight! Why are you stopping them?...it was once considered a 'late afternoon swearing in' ceremony, it slowly moved up the ladder and became a 'night swearing in' ceremony and now its already a 'midnight swearing in'. if they proceed like this it will be an 'early bird' swearing in ceremony next year and a midday swearing in ceremony by 2013. by 2015 it will have reverted back to the late afternoon swearing in ceremony it once was. Ama Impunity wanted to say that it was midnight somewhere on the globe (perhaps china) The old constitution did not stipulate at what time the president should be sworn in. Am not sure if the current one does. Allow me to digress.... CONSTITUTION OF KENYA 2010 141. (1) The swearing in of the President-elect shall be in public before the Chief Justice, or, in the absence of the Chief Justice, the Deputy Chief Justice. (2) The President-elect shall be sworn in on the first Tuesday following–– (a) the fourteenth day after the date of the declaration of the result of the presidential election, if no petition has been filed under Article 140; or (b) the seventh day following the date on which the court renders a decision declaring the election to be valid, if any petition has been filed under Article 140. (3) The President-elect assumes office by taking and subscribing the oath or affirmation of allegiance, and the oath or affirmation for the execution of the functions of office, as prescribed in the Third Schedule. (4) Parliament shall by legislation provide for the procedure and ceremony for the swearing-in of a President-elect. Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,907
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Without thinking toooo much, it's clear the contest was between Kibaki and Raila. The polarity in the country benefited both, the hardening of sides took place on their watch, the shameless rigging and clinging to power, unexpected and unsavoury outcomes... etc.
In my book, the buck stops with them, and they bear greatest political responsibility for the chaos. In this world and the next.
A man is not old until regrets take the place of dreams.
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