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12-Year Infrastructure Bond
wanyuru
#21 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2011 10:14:37 AM
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mukiha wrote:
Ali Baba wrote:
AMOLO:Stop lying(this is not Hague),Non-Competitive bids maximum ceiling is Ksh 10 million and not shs20 million like you allege. Check the CBK website for confirmation.


I think @Amolo was only trying to clarify that there is no lower limit for competitive bids as long as they are above 50k.

@Maka had suggested that one needs at least 20m to make a competitive bid. The truth is that while there is an upper limit for non-competitive bids, there isn't a lower one for competitive bids.


Minimum amount to invest in an Infrastructure bond is Ksh 100,000.00 ( Ksh 50,000.00 for conventional bonds). Competitive bids are open to any investor as long as they meet the minimum amount. There is no maximum.

and oh,this one is open to the Kenyan diaspora.
maka
#22 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2011 10:58:35 AM
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Ali Baba wrote:
AMOLO:Stop lying(this is not Hague),Non-Competitive bids maximum ceiling is Ksh 10 million and not shs20 million like you allege. Check the CBK website for confirmation.

@Ali baba it used to be 10 Million but they changed to 20 Million
Thanks Mukiha and Amolo for the clarification on the competitive bidding amount...
possunt quia posse videntur
mzeekijana
#23 Posted : Friday, September 16, 2011 10:48:08 AM
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[/quote]

and oh,this one is open to the Kenyan diaspora.[/quote]


What does it mean "Open to the Kenyan diaspora" were thya not allowed before?
wanyuru
#24 Posted : Friday, September 16, 2011 12:05:37 PM
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mzeekijana wrote:


and oh,this one is open to the Kenyan diaspora.[/quote]


What does it mean "Open to the Kenyan diaspora" were thya not allowed before? [/quote]

They can now participate directly without having to go through nominee accounts. Previously, it was not possible for Kenyans in Diaspora to make payments for their bids directly to CBK (or through CBK correspondence banks abroad)....There was a requirement that disposal instructions must be of a Bank a/c operated in KE

91-days recorded 12.570% this week.... The Infrastructure bond has a tap window....@ KIzee, Cde et al any word on this one?

Sober
#25 Posted : Wednesday, September 21, 2011 5:44:23 PM
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T-bill rates reach a 10-year high: 12.57% and 11.94% for the 91-day and 182-day T-bill respectively. what is happening to the market?
African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
kizee1
#26 Posted : Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:42:59 PM
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wanyuru wrote:
mzeekijana wrote:


and oh,this one is open to the Kenyan diaspora.



What does it mean "Open to the Kenyan diaspora" were thya not allowed before? [/quote]

They can now participate directly without having to go through nominee accounts. Previously, it was not possible for Kenyans in Diaspora to make payments for their bids directly to CBK (or through CBK correspondence banks abroad)....There was a requirement that disposal instructions must be of a Bank a/c operated in KE

91-days recorded 12.570% this week.... The Infrastructure bond has a tap window....@ KIzee, Cde et al any word on this one?

[/quote]

think ur better of with a tbill the cbk is deliberately depresin rates to ensure suces of this paper...avoid any long term papers
MatataMingi
#27 Posted : Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:20:29 PM
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@ Sober & Kizee1. the rates yields) for this weeks auction ( value dated Sept 26 ) are as follows

- 182 day T-Bill 12.622
- 2 year bond 13.897 ( coupon is 10.5)

Things are going elephant !!!. Forget NSE for the moment. This is where the money is
hisah
#28 Posted : Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:30:40 PM
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Sober wrote:
T-bill rates reach a 10-year high: 12.57% and 11.94% for the 91-day and 182-day T-bill respectively. what is happening to the market?

Gubberment currently has a big craving for local debt. The drug sellers have noted the junkies appetite & hiked the price. In short with CBK being disorderly with funny policies, nobody will trust them with their money. So if the local debt junkie wants more drugs (funding) from me with disorderly policies, lazima walipe premium kubwa. He who holds the gold runs the market... Banks & large funds hold a loaded barrel on treasury... These premiums will hurt the economy as lending becomes expensive. Get ready for a recession...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Cde Monomotapa
#29 Posted : Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:02:28 PM
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Infrastructure (bond)=development (not recession) the very 1st ones ranged 12-14% and maan...the roads e.t.c are good!!
Cde Monomotapa
#30 Posted : Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:04:23 PM
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An appropriate investment instrument for @Nabwire smile
Nabwire
#31 Posted : Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:13:48 PM
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NKT, saa how is that appropriate for me? Siwezi hata na dawa, 12 years!!! Ikae I can make more money in the stock market!!!
Cde Monomotapa
#32 Posted : Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:24:46 PM
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Nabwire wrote:
NKT, saa how is that appropriate for me? Siwezi hata na dawa, 12 years!!! Ikae I can make more money in the stock market!!!

Be patriotic & wire us some USDs smile
Nabwire
#33 Posted : Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:26:19 PM
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LOL.... mi si mama Teresa, shamba nilinunua na hiyo exchange rate....thats patriotism, next ni NSE in Dec.
Cde Monomotapa
#34 Posted : Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:34:52 PM
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Nabwire wrote:
LOL.... mi si mama Teresa, shamba nilinunua na hiyo exchange rate....thats patriotism, next ni NSE in Dec.

smile
lennz
#35 Posted : Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:30:51 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Nabwire wrote:
LOL.... mi si mama Teresa, shamba nilinunua na hiyo exchange rate....thats patriotism, next ni NSE in Dec.

smile



@cde watch this BULL http://www.rse.rw/
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lennz
#36 Posted : Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:56:17 AM
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Some Info here to ponder...
This particular Infrastructure Bond (IFB) has an effective nominal return (Coupon) at 13.200% because of its tax exemption clause. Remember w/tax on discount and interest/coupon earnings on Kenyan treasury bonds up to 10 years maturity is 15% while for those higher than 10 yrs is 10%. The other key thing for a potential investor to note is that no matter how long a life a bond has, it can always be a liquid instrument provided the secondary market is active enough, trading platforms efficient and papers (bonds) popular. Kenyan bonds segment at the NSE is one such market where even more initiatives are being put in place to increase liquidity and efficiency. This therefore meaning u can sell/buy bonds anytime the price is favorable to you, making unimaginable capital gains. You therefore don't have to wait for the expiry of the full life of your bond. Bond market is bullish when interest rates are on a decline trend and vice versa for bearish.
This particular IFB again offers an attractive feature of amortization at the 4th and 8th years meaning that effectively, investors putting in about 1-5M will be investing in a 4 year bond at 13.200% and still u can dispose it at a profit at the NSE any time before expiry of this period, even earlier like in 2-years.The Tap window allows you to buy initial or additional units of the bond directly from CBK anytime until February 2011.
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the deal
#37 Posted : Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:10:53 AM
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Well @Len why not buy the bonds now and then dump them when the interest cycle turns? Then go into stocks...there is money to be made I agree!!!!
hisah
#38 Posted : Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:22:43 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Infrastructure (bond)=development (not recession) the very 1st ones ranged 12-14% and maan...the roads e.t.c are good!!



Study those graphs and try to project 2012, then you'll see what I mean with or without infrastructure bonds.

GDP Quarterly Growth Rate = http://www.tradingeconomics.com/kenya/gdp-growth

GDP Annual Growth Rate = http://www.tradingeconom...kenya/gdp-growth-annual

Balance of Trade = http://www.tradingeconom.../kenya/balance-of-trade

Current account = http://www.tradingeconom...m/kenya/current-account

Current account to GDP = http://www.tradingeconom.../current-account-to-gdp

Government budget = http://www.tradingeconom...kenya/government-budget

Imports = http://www.tradingeconomics.com/kenya/imports

Exports = http://www.tradingeconomics.com/kenya/exports

Inflation rate...


It is unfortunate or deliberate that gubberment has no stats on jobless rate.

Please don't get me wrong about the negative KE stats, but the facts have to be presented as they are.

If you need to check further details, you can start here - http://www.tradingeconomics.com/kenya/indicators

Which other site has KE econ stats other than CBK which is very scanty. Is there any info from Treasury or Investment committee/policy body on the public domain?

$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Mainat
#39 Posted : Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:34:54 AM
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the deal wrote:
Well @Len why not buy the bonds now and then dump them when the interest cycle turns? Then go into stocks...there is money to be made I agree!!!!

you try and liquidate only to find it has a 10% discount
hisah-http://www.knbs.or.ke/
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lennz
#40 Posted : Thursday, September 22, 2011 2:16:37 PM
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the deal wrote:
Well @Len why not buy the bonds now and then dump them when the interest cycle turns? Then go into stocks...there is money to be made I agree!!!!


Applause Applause @The Deal ......exactly, that's the deal i would say. A speculative chap would do just that. Potential returns are both handsome.
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