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CENTUM MANAGEMENT BONUS
madebe
#1 Posted : Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:27:46 PM
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i have just been reading the centum annual report and one thing i note is that the performance bonus is double the salaries of the workers. kwani bonus can be more than the annual salary. and if the price of land appreciates and is recorded as profit can u then say that u performed and u need bonus?
youcan'tstopusnow
#2 Posted : Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:38:50 PM
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madebe wrote:
and if the price of land appreciates and is recorded as profit can u then say that u performed and u need bonus?

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Drunkard
#3 Posted : Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:12:43 PM
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madebe wrote:
i have just been reading the centum annual report and one thing i note is that the performance bonus is double the salaries of the workers. kwani bonus can be more than the annual salary. and if the price of land appreciates and is recorded as profit can u then say that u performed and u need bonus?



Yes bonus could be higher than the salaries.

If the price of land or property appreciates, both IFRS and GAAP provide the condition for valuations and revaluations and under both standards you can recognize profits, IFRS in P & L and GAAP in other comprehensive income. Accountants can explain more on these.

One thing about Managed fund is that their management have complete control of the company, they can turn into a success or a ponzi scheme. Take for instant their investment strategies- they generate most of their profit in investments in either close companies (companies that are not public traded) or illiquid real estates investments, this investment strategy give them full discrection to make wild assumptions and report profits. So if you have investments in managed funds like Centrum, look at where they make most of their profit, I haven't gone through Centrum books but I have a general knowledge of whats going on in Managed funds. But don't blame the player blame the game!
mukiha
#4 Posted : Friday, September 16, 2011 8:25:51 AM
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In my book; bonus SHOULD be higher than salary!

This brings out one of the great HR Management fallacies: that people are always paid a fat fixed salary and a small performance bonus. It's ridiculous! If you want people to perform, pay them a hefty bonus and a small salary just to meet their minimum expenses during dry months... and who came with the idea of paying bonuses as a single lump sum at the end of the year?
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Drunkard
#5 Posted : Friday, September 16, 2011 8:35:12 PM
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mukiha wrote:
In my book; bonus SHOULD be higher than salary!

This brings out one of the great HR Management fallacies: that people are always paid a fat fixed salary and a small performance bonus. It's ridiculous! If you want people to perform, pay them a hefty bonus and a small salary just to meet their minimum expenses during dry months... and who came with the idea of paying bonuses as a single lump sum at the end of the year?


This model have been tried before, it looks good on paper but in real business world it can be destructive, it is always associated with what is called principal agency problem. The reason why you want to pay decent salary, infact ridiculously high salary, is that you want the employees to focus on longterm strategic moves, which are always less profitable in the short term, without having to worry about their end year bonuses. If you decide to pay high annual bonuses tied to performance and enough salary to get by no one will take a long term, often less profit ventures, no one will work on business development which takes years to be profitable, R & D will be unattractive.
mukiha
#6 Posted : Friday, September 16, 2011 9:33:59 PM
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Drunkard wrote:
mukiha wrote:
In my book; bonus SHOULD be higher than salary!

This brings out one of the great HR Management fallacies: that people are always paid a fat fixed salary and a small performance bonus. It's ridiculous! If you want people to perform, pay them a hefty bonus and a small salary just to meet their minimum expenses during dry months... and who came with the idea of paying bonuses as a single lump sum at the end of the year?


This model have been tried before, it looks good on paper but in real business world it can be destructive, it is always associated with what is called principal agency problem. The reason why you want to pay decent salary, infact ridiculously high salary, is that you want the employees to focus on longterm strategic moves, which are always less profitable in the short term, without having to worry about their end year bonuses. If you decide to pay high annual bonuses tied to performance and enough salary to get by no one will take a long term, often less profit ventures, no one will work on business development which takes years to be profitable, R & D will be unattractive.


It only breaks down if you assume that PERFORMANCE = PROFITS.... which is yet another fallacy!
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Drunkard
#7 Posted : Friday, September 16, 2011 9:54:19 PM
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@ Mukiha.... PERFORMANCE = PROFITS, I agree with that, thats is why there is performance bonus on top of a good salary, good salary is geared towards keeping people focused on longterm strategies and topping it with performance bonus ensures that short term tactical strategies are always in place to feed into the long term strategy and also execution of current business model is to the optimum, which as you know is also related to strategies that were build years ago.
mukiha
#8 Posted : Friday, September 16, 2011 11:12:58 PM
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...and paying people hefty salaries eventually makes them lazy; after all "my pay cheque is intact"

Have you not seen our MPs?
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
Drunkard
#9 Posted : Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:11:16 AM
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mukiha wrote:
...and paying people hefty salaries eventually makes them lazy; after all "my pay cheque is intact"

Have you not seen our MPs?



MPs work for Government.....not for profit
hisah
#10 Posted : Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:33:12 AM
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I like this bonus debate for it also says something about GFC in 2008 which is still unraveling...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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