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SAC Cohen
#21 Posted : Wednesday, September 07, 2011 3:13:06 PM
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All Black team vs Tonga

Starting XV:

1. Tony Woodcock (76)
2. Andrew Hore (55)
3. Owen Franks (24)
4. Brad Thorn (52)
5. Ali Williams (66)
6. Jerome Kaino (41)
7. Richie McCaw – captain (98)
8. Victor Vito (8)
9. Jimmy Cowan (47)
10. Daniel Carter (83)
11. Isaia Toeava (32)
12. Sonny Bill Williams (7)
13. Ma’a Nonu (60)
14. Richard Kahui (12)
15. Israel Dagg (7)

Reserves:

16. Corey Flynn (14)
17. Ben Franks (11)
18. Anthony Boric (20)
19. Sam Whitelock (18)
20. Piri Weepu (49)
21. Colin Slade (5)
22. Cory Jane (26)

Number of Test caps in brackets

A good strong opening.
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kizee1
#22 Posted : Wednesday, September 07, 2011 3:28:52 PM
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SAC Cohen wrote:
All Black team vs Tonga

Starting XV:

1. Tony Woodcock (76)
2. Andrew Hore (55)
3. Owen Franks (24)
4. Brad Thorn (52)
5. Ali Williams (66)
6. Jerome Kaino (41)
7. Richie McCaw – captain (98)
8. Victor Vito (8)
9. Jimmy Cowan (47)
10. Daniel Carter (83)
11. Isaia Toeava (32)
12. Sonny Bill Williams (7)
13. Ma’a Nonu (60)
14. Richard Kahui (12)
15. Israel Dagg (7)

Reserves:

16. Corey Flynn (14)
17. Ben Franks (11)
18. Anthony Boric (20)
19. Sam Whitelock (18)
20. Piri Weepu (49)
21. Colin Slade (5)
22. Cory Jane (26)

Number of Test caps in brackets

A good strong opening.



goodish team..wont crtitcize it until we see the final score
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#23 Posted : Wednesday, September 07, 2011 8:53:26 PM
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Come on Boks!
Defend the damn trophy!
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#24 Posted : Thursday, September 08, 2011 2:23:18 PM
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Ric dees wrote:

@Obi i will happily be sitting on the opp side of you.

History shows us recently this tournaments are won by the no 10 who brings his kicking boots on the day. Wilkinson 03, F Steyn 07. I do not think Dan Carter is a better kicker than Morne Steyn and we will see.

Besides a more solid/physical pack which has been SA's territory over the years there is a much unheralded position which is so vital and by and large dictates play and it's clear in my mind SA have the best player in this position. Enter no 7 Henri Brussow,ball carrier extraodinaire Richie Mcaw hujaribu lakini Brussow is recognised the best ball carrier in the rucks in the whole world, this my friend will determine who wins the tournament.


@Ric dees

Johnny boy (wilkinson) was once a great rugby player and a phenominal points machine, but my take is he is too long in the tooth and would not hold a candle to Carter, in fact at the peak of their powers, I would pick DC everytime over Johny boy.
As to Morne Steyn, he really needs to crack the Bok first 15 before he can try competing with real masters, he is not in the same league as DC or Johnny Wilkinson.

As for the Brussow/Macaw battle, I believe you meant ball scavenger/fetcher and not carrier. I agree, Brussow is a trully gifted fetcher, but until he dominates for 10 years against rugby icons such as George Smith, Schalk Burger, David Pocock and now Brussow he cannot not be compared to Macaw.

Maybe something important about Brussow is that he has never lost to the AB's, very few people in the rugby world can claim such a feet.
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#25 Posted : Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:38:36 PM
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Here's my analysis of the BOK's

STRENGTHS:

- They are masters at playing tournament rugby because of the way they build momentum
- Has one of the best packs in the world built around the "blood brothers" (Vitor Matfeld and Bakkies Botha)
- they are the best defensive team in the world, because of their physical approach to the game. There is a saying in rugby that "You don't beat the BOK's, you just score more points than them"

WEAKNESSES:

- The coaching set-up is weak mostly because its felt that the black head coach (Peter De Viliers) is not qualified to lead a Bok side, therefore it breeds serious racial undercurrents which you will never notice from the players but which are openly expressed by fans especially in blogs.
- Some of the teams key players either lack form or are way past their sell by date, e.g Jon Smit (too old), Schalk Burger (returning from Injury), Guthro Steenkamp (returning from Injury), Heinrich Brussow (returning from injury), Fourie Duprees (poor form)

EXPECTED STRONGEST TEAM:
1. Tendai Mtawarira (the Beast)
2. Jon "Fatboy" Smit-captain (personnaly prefer Bismark Duplessis)
3. Jannie Duplessis
4. Bakkies Botha
5. Victor Matfeld
6. Heinrich Brussow
7. Schalk "Hannibal Lecter" Burger
8. Pierre Spies
9. Fourie Dupreez
10. Butch James/Morne Steyns
11. Bryan Habana
12. Jean De Viliers
13. Jaque Fourie
14. JP Pieterson
15. Frans Steyn
SUBS:
16. Bismark Duplessis
17. CJ Van Der linde
18. Dannie Roussow
19. Willem "the bone collector" Alberts
20. Francois Hougaard
21. Morne Steyns/Butch James
22. Patrick Lambie


EXPECTED POSITION:

Will win their pool games, get past the quarters then LOSE to the AB's in the Semi's

"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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masukuma
#26 Posted : Friday, September 09, 2011 11:24:54 AM
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I am an All Blacks fan but the joke is...
Question: What do you call a group of 15 players around a TV watching a Rugby Worldcup final?
Answer: the All blacks!
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#27 Posted : Friday, September 09, 2011 12:14:13 PM
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masukuma wrote:
I am an All Blacks fan but the joke is...
Question: What do you call a group of 15 players around a TV watching a Rugby Worldcup final?
Answer: the All blacks!

@Masukuma

Very true, they really need to win this one if only to round up the sterling careers of macaw and Carter.

I have not watched a world cup final since 1995 and I really need to watch this one, the AB's must get there to allow me to watch my first world cup final in 2 decades, if they don't make it, again I will not watch, I can't stand the sight of posers like Quade Cooper drinking from the Webb Ellis again.

I always feel sorry for Greats like Tana Umaga and Jerry Collins who did not win the world cup in their rugby careers.
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#28 Posted : Friday, September 09, 2011 12:36:21 PM
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Not a bad day at the office, so far...for AB
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#29 Posted : Friday, September 09, 2011 12:53:42 PM
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@Obi
You dint mention both Richie Mcaw and Dan Carter have no replacements. So can you imagine what will happen if Dan Carter is injured or even gets a niggle?? The AB heavily are reliant on a fit Dan Carter...

The greatest danger in times of turbulence is not the turbulence; it is to act with yesterday's logic.
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#30 Posted : Friday, September 09, 2011 1:30:17 PM
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SAC Cohen wrote:
Not a bad day at the office, so far...for AB


41-10 si mbaya sana, but they will be huddling round the TV watching the Roses in the final
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#31 Posted : Friday, September 09, 2011 2:49:29 PM
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Ric dees wrote:

@Obi
You dint mention both Richie Mcaw and Dan Carter have no replacements. So can you imagine what will happen if Dan Carter is injured or even gets a niggle?? The AB heavily are reliant on a fit Dan Carter...


Most of the star players in the world have no replacements

For Australia - Quade Cooper, David pocock, Will Genia,

For SA - FDP, JDV and Jaque Fourie

So really this is not an AB problem, it happens to all teams
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#32 Posted : Friday, September 09, 2011 3:00:50 PM
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SAC Cohen wrote:
Not a bad day at the office, so far...for AB

Too many mistakes from the AB's for my liking, but I will blame rustiness
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#33 Posted : Friday, September 09, 2011 3:15:32 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
SAC Cohen wrote:
Not a bad day at the office, so far...for AB

Too many mistakes from the AB's for my liking, but I will blame rustiness


Yeah, the 2nd half was mediocre. I hope they peak at the right time... unlike other years when they peak in the 3rd grp match..sic...
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#34 Posted : Friday, September 09, 2011 5:02:34 PM
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So the five time chokers have started with a less than convincing win though nothing to read to it..lets see how they react in the next game.

@Obi in the quarters between NZ and SA it will be defenitely a N Hemisphere referee who do not partucularly agree with the brand of rugby Richie Mcaw plays. Try and observe the amount of penalties,offsides given against him when it's a N hemisphere referee and you will see my point.

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#35 Posted : Saturday, September 10, 2011 1:44:33 PM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
SAC Cohen wrote:
Not a bad day at the office, so far...for AB


41-10 si mbaya sana, but they will be huddling round the TV watching the Roses in the final



after todays display against argentina i think you will be eating these words
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#36 Posted : Sunday, September 11, 2011 6:18:28 PM
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That is how good Wales are ata kaburu ni bahati walipata leo. I think if the Welsh can beat the Aussies in the next round, they'll be in the finals...
Sehemu ndio nyumba
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#37 Posted : Monday, September 12, 2011 9:50:58 AM
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Mainat wrote:
That is how good Wales are ata kaburu ni bahati walipata leo. I think if the Welsh can beat the Aussies in the next round, they'll be in the finals...


hooks penaly actually was good but the refs didnt allow it for some reason!

http://www.espnscrum.com.../rugby/story/148865.html
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#38 Posted : Monday, September 12, 2011 12:41:14 PM
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Mainat wrote:
That is how good Wales are ata kaburu ni bahati walipata leo. I think if the Welsh can beat the Aussies in the next round, they'll be in the finals...


The welsh will always remain the WELSH, bridesmaid at best, the BOKS were terrible, but this was expected, they start slowly and build momentum, although I suspect this could be a bridge too far for their ageing players.

Bakkies down, Matfeld Hobbled out of the game, JDV injured, Jon Smit too fat and too old.
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#39 Posted : Saturday, September 17, 2011 1:21:26 PM
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well done ireland! they clearly studied the aussie game, the gods really favord the irish, heck the rain killed the aussies expansive game, lol! really exciting time in rugby when nations like wales ireland and argentina make the stronger teams sweat
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#40 Posted : Saturday, September 17, 2011 1:51:50 PM
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...cant wait for the knockout stages!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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