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Genghis Khan
#41 Posted : Friday, August 19, 2011 3:06:36 PM
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@Jamani, I can invest in / divest from anything. When things change, i will change tact. The market cannot move so fast that i am unable to reposition.

I don't take permanent positions in investments, but one has to take at least one position at any given time.
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tony stark
#42 Posted : Friday, August 19, 2011 3:26:53 PM
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StatMeister wrote:
bwenyenye wrote:
StatMeister wrote:
If you wanted to live in (say) a Kile apartment, you can buy it for 10m (take a 15-year mortgage @ 11% paying 113k) or you can just rent it for half the cost.

We all know how these apartments will look like in another 15 years.


Have you factored how much they will cost in 15 years despite their looks?
Do you know how much you will have paid in rent for 15 years? half the mortgage... so who is fooling who?


Also factor how much it will cost to upgrade your apartment (if possible) to match emerging styles and trends in housing.

@ statmeister let me give you an optimist view on this.
Using your repayment the total repayment for 15 years will be
113,000 * 12 months * 15 years == 20,340,000
Lets say you want this house and you think the Value is worth the 10 mil. You will need 1 million deposit and another 500K to 800K closing cost.
Now you are a a well to do middle class guy being prudent and living within his means and you manage to save 50 K per month. PS this should ideally work for anyone taking home 120K.
You said renting out the house would be half the cost but in reality the rent in kile never goes below 60K currently.
Plan would be buy the house continue to live within your means in buru, uhuru or wherever. Put in your 50K into the mortgage repayment and have tenants rent go into the repayment. At the end of the 15 years repayment the owner will have paid half the cost of the house around 10 million through repayment while the tenant will have paid the bank it's interest leaving you with a house.
Now if the house has appreciated you now have an assest worth more than you paid which is 10 million. Even if the house is not worth 20 million the owner can still make a profit because the value of the house will not have depreciated below 10 million.

You can do this for cheaper houses. The only catch is the houses should have a decent rental demand. This is not a fool proof plan obviously.

I know you will try and add repair costs, rates etc etc but I can also add ways of reducing total cost by paying extra into the principal repayment of the mortgage from the get go which can significantly reduce the cost over the 15 years and this can take care of the rates and repair cost.
jaykay
#43 Posted : Sunday, August 28, 2011 3:47:05 PM
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@Tony stark: howz stark Industries? I agree with what you write? Just to add, buy the house you can afford NOT what you desire to have. e.g. with current mortgage rates the guy taking home 120K can only buy up to around Ksh 7-8 Mn after puting at least Ksh 1mn-2mn down.
the mistake people make is to buy their dream house not what they can afford.Hence, you retire after 20 years and your biggest asset is your home(which you cant sell).Your retirement benefit pays for your childrens universuty education.You end up putting up extensions to get money for recurrent expenditure(fuel,medicine and food).Think Buru,South B,Langata-southlands get the drift?
Drunkard
#44 Posted : Friday, September 02, 2011 6:50:33 PM
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Genghis Khan wrote:
Drunkard wrote:

My analysis tells me that renter is the smart one based on the current propery market situation and the opportunity cost associated with the disparity between mortgage payments and rent payment! In short, invest the difference between your rent payment and mortgage payment for 15 yrs and see how much it will turn out to be!

What "current propery market situation"? Do not over-analyse.

Lemme give u an example, I got a mortgage for 6.25m for a 3bed flat.

I have paid up less than 300k and with 18+ yrs to go.

Now market price is at around 10m if I can sell with patience... force sell at least 8.5m... this is after 17 months... (2.25/6.25)*(12/17) = 25% return or 42% if you work with 10m.

Rent was around 35k, now its 45k... which is a 6% dividend...

My plan is to eventually buy land and construct when i have a family. By then i will have the OPTION to sell it and pay off the mortgage and pocket the change (5m plus i hope) OR rent out the flat and let someone else pay the remaining 15yrs of my mortgage ... by then rent will be higher than installments. Trust me i will make a good decision... based of course on the then "current propery market situation".



Mortgage is not calculated like that, you cannot just minus what the property is worth, what you've paid and what you bought for, apply this formula and see how much you still owe in that house, the amount you've to pay the back if you sell the house today----B = L[(1 + c)n - (1 + c)p]/[(1 + c)n - 1]

where,
c = Interest
L = Loan amount
F = Points and all other lender fees
P = Monthly payment
n = Month when the balance is paid in full
B = Balance in month n

Banks are not stupid to just hand money to borrowers!


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