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Consultants pay....why do they emigrate!!??
Rapudox
#1 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2011 12:57:53 PM
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Apparently, most specialist doctors in Kenya hit at least 1M Kshs monthly! Why do most of these medics still choose to leave the country???? In some eastern European countries doctors would be lucky if they hit 100K Kshs monthly. I also think Nairobi is definitely top 5 in Africa, in terms of medical care. Even in western europe 1m kshs is good money.
iKenya
#2 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:59:11 PM
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Any artical/figures to support the claims, Most doctors "I know" are still in keny, apart from the odd muindi here or there.....oh, and 1M in revenue/turnover sio pesa mingi boss...how much of that is actual profit?
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tajiri
#3 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:12:21 PM
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You will realise that money is not the only factor to consider in life. Kenyan healthcare is in a sorry state, look at the per capita expenditure and compare with other countries. Our hospitals are empty shells with no medicine, poorly trained staff and no facilities. You will happily collect the millions if you do not wish to make a difference in people's lives. After making the money, you have to play hide and seek with the carjacker, burglar, taxman, policemen expecting bribes, power-rationing, erratic income and disorder. Chances are you never get to enjoy the money you make. When doctors go overseas, they get an assured safety, less corruption, family time and world class training. that is what many people want.
On a different note, many doctors leave the country to get a better training and also improve their lives. Yes kenya may be in the top 10 in Africa, but the conditions in hospitals are dire. If you speak to doctors in postgraduate training in KNH, they rarely see their seniors. They are abused and misused by their seniors. Once exposed to different systems, you cannot stand the mediocrity of the kenyan healthcare system. Trust me, I have experience in Kenya and Europe.
Rapudox
#4 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:45:18 PM
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@Ikenya..a lot of docs have left for SA,UK,USA etc..I know quite a few.With 1M, i mean net pay..which i find is a handsome amount for someone in Kenya & even in western europe.@tajiri..its true that most hospitals are empty shells, but most consultants in NBI work in well equiped Hospitals. I find your point of not being able to enjoy your cash very interesting.....Kenya can sometimes be really schizophrenic
metabolist
#5 Posted : Friday, August 26, 2011 9:01:58 AM
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Would you care to share your source of information about doctors earnings in Nairobi? Particularly what proportion of all specialists get >KES 1 million. I don't agree that most of the hospitals that these consultants work in are well equipped. The reason I say this is that the health outcomes, using whichever health parameter, for these private hospitals, though better than our public hospitals, are still among the worst in the world.
Rapudox
#6 Posted : Friday, August 26, 2011 11:29:59 AM
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@Metabolist..i personally know at least two surgeons who confided that they in bad months take home at least 800k-1.3M (Govt salary plus private practice), a ENT specialist 500-1M. The salaries fluctuate in the year but on average it would be at least 1M monthly. The Govt salary is about 120-200K, consultation & ward round fees can easily sum up to another 150K monthly. The rest comes from procedures & surgeries.
eboomerang
#7 Posted : Friday, August 26, 2011 12:33:19 PM
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tajiri wrote:
You will realise that money is not the only factor to consider in life. Kenyan healthcare is in a sorry state, look at the per capita expenditure and compare with other countries. Our hospitals are empty shells with no medicine, poorly trained staff and no facilities.....

I couldn't agree more with your sentiments.

To lead a quality life, there is much much more to it than having the money.

On the other hand, professionally, health care in Kenya as you mentioned is in tatters complete tatters -it's highly commercialized and there is no holistic vision for the entire industry.

You would be surprised to learn that a country like the USA looks up to countries like Costa Rica and Cuba in matters related to health care.

The average life expectancy in Costa Rica is about 79, Kenya 54.9. (All based on 2009 statistics).

These Latin American countries have managed to convert the industry into some form of healthcare tourism industry.

More importantly, their systems are citizen centric -high quality, available countrywide and low cost.

Link: http://article-library.c...-Best-In-Central-America
jaykay
#8 Posted : Sunday, August 28, 2011 3:16:08 PM
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@Rapudox: Ksh 1 Million is good money any where BUT you have to work to get it either at your consultancy OR at the Operating table.It doesnt roll in if you DONT get out of bed.
That's why the cleverer Medics use the cashflow to go into real estate,farming or General trade business.the money is easier made,PLUS sometimes it rolls in without you lifting a finger.
jaykay
#9 Posted : Sunday, August 28, 2011 3:19:00 PM
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@ all: Unfortunately, most of our youngones will see this post and think .Gee , i become a Doctor and become an instant millionaire.Please only go into medicine if you like it.the money will roll in,so will your personal satisfaction.
kiterunner
#10 Posted : Sunday, August 28, 2011 3:34:49 PM
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people move for different reasons but top among them is better training opportunities. I find the perceived salaries by rapudox a bit exaggerated and if there are those that make as much, they are very few.
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