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TOTAL KENYA H1 2011
FUNKY
#1 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:49:48 AM
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http://af.reuters.com/ar...s/idAFJOE77O02920110825

Total Kenya half year profits down by 70 percent.
mkonomtupu
#2 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2011 10:01:25 AM
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Horrible, from a turn-over of 38 billion to get 145million profit. How long before they walk away. anyway i'm glad i quit oil stocks at the right time.
FUNKY
#3 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2011 10:28:27 AM
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@ mkonomtupu - You should invest in oil stocks like KK who are present regionally. The problem with Total Kenya is that it is only a "KENYAN" only firm unlike KK whose subsidiary profits have started to contribute to the bottomline.
guru267
#4 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2011 10:33:37 AM
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This is the biggest bullshit excuse Ive ever heard... Kwani is kenol not under price controls..
With kenya still contibuting to more than half of their earnings they should have also been negatively impacted by the price controls..

This firm should just delist and join the eveready pack..
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StatMeister
#5 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2011 10:44:34 AM
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FUNKY wrote:
@ mkonomtupu - You should invest in oil stocks like KK who are present regionally. The problem with Total Kenya is that it is only a "KENYAN" only firm unlike KK whose subsidiary profits have started to contribute to the bottomline.


@funky, price controls is fashionable across the region. In Tanzania, marketers and regulators are in a cold war on price controls (the government recently threatened to withdraw licenses.javascript:__doPostBack('ctl00$ContentPlaceHolder1$forum$ctl01$PostReply','')

So am not sure how KK is better off.

http://www.investors.com...Price-Caps-Annulled.aspx
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VituVingiSana
#6 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2011 10:55:17 AM
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Price Controls are not good for consumers or suppliers since they breed inefficiencies.

As for KK, they face controls in Kenya, Tanzania, Rwanda, Ethiopia [not sure about Uganda, Zambia & Burundi] but it remains very efficient thus can push volumes which lower (per unit) costs across the network.
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mkonomtupu
#7 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:18:20 AM
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Funky, there is nothing about KK's regional diversification when i hear the KK management talk reminds of some guy called Gareth George with his power point presentations when he was at KCB, used to be hot air. KK took a dip in profits same as total in 2009. Actually KK was 49/- (4.9 if factor the split) last year Jan. Oil stocks got messed when the price controls kicked in and i can't see a change in fortunes. Govt is not going address the shorfalls in the pricing mechanism any time soon.
VituVingiSana
#8 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:33:59 AM
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@m-tupu - Yes, GoK will not address price mechanism as long as it is POLITICALLY convenient... nevertheless, the REGIONAL diversification helps KK which can re-route resources, cash, products to markets that are most profitable.

An example:

In 1Q 2011, the KOSF tanks were full of products from a 'connected' OMC. KK had a ship that could not off-load & attracted HUGE demurrage fees.
KK complained to no avail (while there was a shortage of product across up-country incl Nairobi) so it sent the ship to Dar. Other "Kenya-only" firms would be forced to keep the ship at Mombasa.
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cnn
#9 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2011 12:00:17 PM
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mkonomtupu wrote:
Funky, there is nothing about KK's regional diversification when i hear the KK management talk reminds of some guy called Gareth George with his power point presentations when he was at KCB, used to be hot air. KK took a dip in profits same as total in 2009. Actually KK was 49/- (4.9 if factor the split) last year Jan. Oil stocks got messed when the price controls kicked in and i can't see a change in fortunes. Govt is not going address the shorfalls in the pricing mechanism any time soon.

These are the kind i have and will continue to ignore,numbers do not lie,in that controlled environment we saw what half year was like.It is all about learning your market,the challanges and learning how to play it.
Aguytrying
#10 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2011 12:25:39 PM
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I honestly dont know how kk are weathering the prices, they can even afford to give discounts!!!! there are serious genius brains at work over at KENOL KOBIL. Now imagine what they can do when the factors become better.
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