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Thika Road Highway will be Toll Road?
tony stark
#21 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2011 10:49:30 AM
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Ndaragwa wrote:
{I suspect this blogger is simply trying to get Wazuans to visit his site offering baseless information on tolls}

The information was not posted by a blogger. Some of us use the blog site http://thikaroad.blogspot.com/ to get updates on Thika Road since we are out of Nairobi but interested on progress. I only asked whether introduction of toll charges would have a impact on ever increasing property prices along Thika Road. I cannot vouch for authenticity of information posted in the blogg, but has been an informative source of updates on Thika road construction progress.


I can see you have not gotten an appropriate response from my Wazua brothers and sister. I suspect that a lot of them have vested interest with plots in ruiru and thika and hence would rather hide their heads in the sand.

This would be an interesting turn off events. The current road construction going on in and around Nairobi has raised the prices of land in Nairobi environs. A toll road in my opinion would not essentially affect the current land prices. It might stem the appreciation.
Another reason why I don't think the toll charges will affect the land prices is the light rail which might be built in the same environs which will help create park and ride services and negate the need to drive.
We will eventually see a situation where the upper and middle upper class will be able to drive paying the toll prices daily while the rest can easily take the light rail.
simonkabz
#22 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2011 10:50:12 AM
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@tony, what I recall is, the toll thing was ABOLISHED n replaced with the fuel levy. Yup, thats what I know. Like I said, WACHA WAJARIBU!
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GGK
#23 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2011 11:01:22 AM
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The discourse between the young and the old is quite healthy.

Am yet to get official confirmation of it. And if it is true, it would amount to double taxation. It would also be difficult to implement given the traffic volumes and efficiency requirements.

Yes, where such arrangement is made, an alternative toll-free road has to be provided as well, another logistical hurdle
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GGK
#24 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2011 11:11:44 AM
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simonkabz wrote:
@tony, what I recall is, the toll thing was ABOLISHED n replaced with the fuel levy. Yup, thats what I know. Like I said, WACHA WAJARIBU!


Yo right. The toll was consolidated into Fuel Levy fund together with annual Road License that we used to pay.

It can only apply if the road is under concession agreement ie funded by private investor who has to recoup the cost by charging for usage. And even then, a toll-free alternative has to be there

The last time I checked, Thika Road was publicly funded, by us the tax payers.

How would you expect tax payers to fund for a road and then pay for usage.
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mukiha
#25 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2011 12:36:52 PM
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tony stark wrote:
mukiha wrote:
How young are you people?

I ask because Thika road had a toll station located near the point where we now have the Ruiru weigh-bridge station. But it was not the only one - Mombasa highway had one at the Athi River turn-off, and the weighbridge station at Gilgil on the Nakuru highway was initially built as a toll station.

Toll stations were then done away with and the funds collection were replaced with the Road Maintenance Fuel Levy.

there is absolutely no truth in the suggestion that Thika road will be a toll road! This is just a pigment of the imagination of some young, bored blogger who wants to build traffic to their website by convincing us that toll roads are the way of the future!

Sorry, in Kenya, toll stations are the way of the past - we tried them 20 years ago, the idea didn't work and we demolished them.


Which pigment are you suggesting red yellow or blue?

You are being very presumptuous about toll roads, they are not a way of the past but an direction of the future. The overpass that is to be built from Athi river to waiyaki way will have toll stations using public private funding.
Road users will be expected to pay premium rates to enjoy some of this services.
Road maintenance fuel levy fund is for ......MAINTENANCE. The monies raised from this fund is now where near enough what is required to construct and upgrade the road and other infrastructure in the country hence the infrastructure bonds, loans from IMF and other institutions.

Tolls will be a way to raise this funds the signs are everywhere for you to see, don't be myopic!


On language...I stand collected! "F" and "P" are very close on my keyb

But on toll roads... the suggestion that Thika road will have tolls is completely untrue! The planned Uhuru Highway overpass will be a private road on 20 - 3- year concession. Public road tolls are past tense in Kenya.
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Equator
#26 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2011 1:06:07 PM
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The other reason toll booths were abolished about 20 years ago were the congestion they caused at the three points they were located. Sunday evenings were a nightmare especially at Ruiru toll station. If toll stations were to come back on the busy roads, it would require about 20 lanes (at the toll station) for smooth flow.

For those who have seen Thika road designs, are there areas with extraordinary more lanes to cater for the toll booths? We do not want to be taken back to traffic jams..
tony stark
#27 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2011 3:01:00 PM
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Mukiha ..... Thanks for that. The space and W are very close on my keyboard. I am glad you removed the blanket "toll stations are the way of the past" comment.
I am not sure whether Thika road will have or not have a toll station. The person who started this thread was only suggesting from whatever information he had " what is the effect of tolls on land prices on thika road"
To all people saying toll can not work because they cause Jam and there is no land to build the booths on are living in the past. Technology negates the need for having toll booths. All you need is that all vehicles to be fitted with a scanner and you top up a card. In fact most people buying vehicles from Japan already have the scanner with a slot for a card. You can argue for or against having tolls on thika road but the question is still valid
"What if the road was a toll station what would happen to land prices?"
Sakangu
#28 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2011 3:04:16 PM
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Equator wrote:
The other reason toll booths were abolished about 20 years ago were the congestion they caused at the three points they were located. Sunday evenings were a nightmare especially at Ruiru toll station. If toll stations were to come back on the busy roads, it would require about 20 lanes (at the toll station) for smooth flow.

For those who have seen Thika road designs, are there areas with extraordinary more lanes to cater for the toll booths? We do not want to be taken back to traffic jams..



You hit the Nail on the head

Suprisingly the elevated road from Mombasa road to Waiyakiway may also not be a Toll-road after all
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“Currently, there is no land left along the planned construction corridor and the idea of a toll concept would not be viable.”

Applause Applause

link

http://www.businessdailyafrica....0/-/72tpbpz/-/index.html


thikaroadblog
#29 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2011 7:20:41 AM
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Thika Road was financed by The Kenyan Government and The Africa Development Bank on a 10% to 80% ratio respectively with a Grant of another 10% (AfDB)This simply means that we have to pay the 80% which is in-terms of billions over a period of terms. I am well aware of the Fuel Levy Fund- Road Maintenance Fund which replaced toll levy years back after it was not possible due to poor infrastructure.
Can someone tell me where will we source the funds necessary for maintaining this world class superhighway if we had to borrow funds for constructing it in the first place? Look carefully, if the Chinese will not leave us with the tools and manpower they are using right now, will the Fuel Levy Fund be enough to source them to come and maintain the highway? Certainly not. If it will, then other roads will be underfunded in terms of maintenance.
YesuWangu
#30 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2011 7:38:38 AM
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Quote:
Yolande Duhem, head of the IFC’s operations in West and Central Africa said the private sector alone cannot bridge the gap, but a toll road being built to ease traffic in Senegal’s capital, Dakar, could be a model for the future.....“I think it is setting the tone for opening up these types of structures, or replicating them in other countries.


Public-private partnerships present a real opportunity for investors on the continent especially in infrastructure development.

Moving Forward with Public-Private Partnerships

Public-private deals to ease Africa’s infrastructure

There is nothing new under the African sun. A return of the toll roads is not far fetched.
GGK
#31 Posted : Friday, September 14, 2012 11:44:26 AM
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I saw something on NTV to suggest that Thika Road Toll station will be up and running by Nov 2012. My Question is;

1. Isn't this discriminatory against users of the road given they also pay for maintenance through Fuel Levy?

2. What will be done to ensure that all users of the road are charged in differentiated scale depending on usage.
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majimaji
#32 Posted : Friday, September 14, 2012 12:03:01 PM
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GGK wrote:
I saw something on NTV to suggest that Thika Road Toll station will be up and running by Nov 2012. My Question is;

1. Isn't this discriminatory against users of the road given they also pay for maintenance through Fuel Levy?

2. What will be done to ensure that all users of the road are charged in differentiated scale depending on usage.


The provision for the toll booths and toll lanes are already in place at Ruiru on the Highway. This indicates that at a future time users may pay a toll fee. All Gok has to do is gazette the fees and you constant wazuan and other road users start paying a toll. The Gok may argue that being a state of the art road, highway users will be paying a premium on top of the normal fuel levy. la hasha?
Kaigangio
#33 Posted : Friday, September 14, 2012 12:09:13 PM
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GGK wrote:
I saw something on NTV to suggest that Thika Road Toll station will be up and running by Nov 2012. My Question is;

1. Isn't this discriminatory against users of the road given they also pay for maintenance through Fuel Levy?

2. What will be done to ensure that all users of the road are charged in differentiated scale depending on usage.


this government of ours loves money...i do not see any significant drop in fuel prices when they remove the fuel levy when the toll stations begin operations.

the amount to be charged at the toll stations will be dependant upon the type of vehicle and the tare weight..small saloon cars will attract the least charges while the bigger trucks and trailers will attract the biggest charges...

the main problem will be those people who work in nairobi and stay in juja...they will have to pay everyday...those staying just before the toll station...very lucky fellows...
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
GGK
#34 Posted : Friday, September 14, 2012 12:24:02 PM
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majimaji wrote:
GGK wrote:
I saw something on NTV to suggest that Thika Road Toll station will be up and running by Nov 2012. My Question is;

1. Isn't this discriminatory against users of the road given they also pay for maintenance through Fuel Levy?

2. What will be done to ensure that all users of the road are charged in differentiated scale depending on usage.


The provision for the toll booths and toll lanes are already in place at Ruiru on the Highway. This indicates that at a future time users may pay a toll fee. All Gok has to do is gazette the fees and you constant wazuan and other road users start paying a toll. The Gok may argue that being a state of the art road, highway users will be paying a premium on top of the normal fuel levy. la hasha?


The road users are already paying 9/= per liter as they fuel. Going the statistics before construction began, they said about 70,000 vehicles use the road per day. Assuming this has grown to 80,000 after completion and each vehicle uses say 5 liters on the road, this translates to 45/= per vehicle which adds up to 3.6 million per day or 1.314 Billion annually.

I thought this should be enough for maintenance
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sitaki.kujulikana
#35 Posted : Friday, September 14, 2012 12:39:57 PM
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GGK wrote:
majimaji wrote:
GGK wrote:
I saw something on NTV to suggest that Thika Road Toll station will be up and running by Nov 2012. My Question is;

1. Isn't this discriminatory against users of the road given they also pay for maintenance through Fuel Levy?

2. What will be done to ensure that all users of the road are charged in differentiated scale depending on usage.


The provision for the toll booths and toll lanes are already in place at Ruiru on the Highway. This indicates that at a future time users may pay a toll fee. All Gok has to do is gazette the fees and you constant wazuan and other road users start paying a toll. The Gok may argue that being a state of the art road, highway users will be paying a premium on top of the normal fuel levy. la hasha?


The road users are already paying 9/= per liter as they fuel. Going the statistics before construction began, they said about 70,000 vehicles use the road per day. Assuming this has grown to 80,000 after completion and each vehicle uses say 5 liters on the road, this translates to 45/= per vehicle which adds up to 3.6 million per day or 1.314 Billion annually.

I thought this should be enough for maintenance


That is assuming all the cash goes into road development and maintenance - I would not be surprised if less than 40% finds its way on the roads the rest disappearing into the administrative behemoth
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