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bwenyenye
#21 Posted : Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:59:06 PM
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Guys, I could guide you on how the property market will trend in the next 30 years.

Once the infrastructure is complete, people will start going to live in the city outskirts e.g Syokks, Kitengela, ngong, Kiambu etc coz land is much cheaper there. Huge estates will come up like Tatu City, Fourways, Edenvile etc. The middleclass will move to these areas enmasse for the lifestyle living. They will sell the Kilimamni, Kileleshwa, South B,C, Langata, houses and rush to the outskirts. The rich will then buy these areas and create very expensive lifestyles that are exclusive to them. They live next to to their offices and work there. The middleclass will realise the game all to late that the city has been repartitioned and they now have to incur huge transport costs to get to work. The next cylce is the middleclass trying to get close to the city again. This has happened in almost every city that has developed. There is nothig new under the sun.
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#22 Posted : Wednesday, August 17, 2011 2:11:12 PM
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bwenyenye wrote:
Guys, I could guide you on how the property market will trend in the next 30 years.

Once the infrastructure is complete, people will start going to live in the city outskirts e.g Syokks, Kitengela, ngong, Kiambu etc coz land is much cheaper there. Huge estates will come up like Tatu City, Fourways, Edenvile etc. The middleclass will move to these areas enmasse for the lifestyle living. They will sell the Kilimamni, Kileleshwa, South B,C, Langata, houses and rush to the outskirts. The rich will then buy these areas and create very expensive lifestyles that are exclusive to them. They live next to to their offices and work there. The middleclass will realise the game all to late that the city has been repartitioned and they now have to incur huge transport costs to get to work. The next cylce is the middleclass trying to get close to the city again. This has happened in almost every city that has developed. There is nothig new under the sun.



I think we past the cycle of rushing to the outskirts because all what you calling outskirts is almost bought out and expensive how many of those in the "middle class" can afford space within TATU -if it will ever see the light of day- so probably those waiting to sell their tu-apartments will sell and move to shagz!
Mblue
#23 Posted : Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:24:38 PM
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bwenyenye wrote:
Guys, I could guide you on how the property market will trend in the next 30 years.

Once the infrastructure is complete, people will start going to live in the city outskirts e.g Syokks, Kitengela, ngong, Kiambu etc coz land is much cheaper there. Huge estates will come up like Tatu City, Fourways, Edenvile etc. The middleclass will move to these areas enmasse for the lifestyle living. They will sell the Kilimamni, Kileleshwa, South B,C, Langata, houses and rush to the outskirts. The rich will then buy these areas and create very expensive lifestyles that are exclusive to them. They live next to to their offices and work there. The middleclass will realise the game all to late that the city has been repartitioned and they now have to incur huge transport costs to get to work. The next cylce is the middleclass trying to get close to the city again. This has happened in almost every city that has developed. There is nothig new under the sun.


Maybe by then there will be electric trains and transport costs will be lower.
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#24 Posted : Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:10:37 PM
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Mblue wrote:
bwenyenye wrote:
they now have to incur huge transport costs to get to work.


Maybe by then there will be electric trains and transport costs will be lower.



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#25 Posted : Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:38:33 PM
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StatMeister wrote:

There will be 'lectric trains in Kenya, but there won't be no 'lectricity to run 'em

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#26 Posted : Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:41:25 PM
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@Mblue, problem is not the construction cost but the cost of the land!!

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#27 Posted : Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:48:02 PM
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Drunkard
#28 Posted : Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:31:56 PM
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bwenyenye wrote:
StatMeister wrote:
If you wanted to live in (say) a Kile apartment, you can buy it for 10m (take a 15-year mortgage @ 11% paying 113k) or you can just rent it for half the cost.

We all know how these apartments will look like in another 15 years.


Have you factored how much they will cost in 15 years despite their looks?
Do you know how much you will have paid in rent for 15 years? half the mortgage... so who is fooling who?



Actually, in 15 yrs you won't have paid half of the 30 yrs mortgage, as a matter of facts you'll have paid just about a third of your mortgage and with such inflated prices, plus high current interest rates compare to anticipated rates 10 yrs from now, The value of your house 15 yrs from now( including all mortgage payment you've made) might not be able to pay off the remaining 15 yrs on your 30yrs mortgage!

So someone is right when he/she suggest that a renter is smart in this case!
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#29 Posted : Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:46:51 PM
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Drunkard wrote:
bwenyenye wrote:
StatMeister wrote:
If you wanted to live in (say) a Kile apartment, you can buy it for 10m (take a 15-year mortgage @ 11% paying 113k) or you can just rent it for half the cost.

We all know how these apartments will look like in another 15 years.


Have you factored how much they will cost in 15 years despite their looks?
Do you know how much you will have paid in rent for 15 years? half the mortgage... so who is fooling who?



Actually, in 15 yrs you won't have paid half of the 30 yrs mortgage, as a matter of facts you'll have paid just about a third of your mortgage and with such inflated prices, plus high current interest rates compare to anticipated rates 10 yrs from now, The value of your house 15 yrs from now( including all mortgage payment you've made) might not be able to pay off the remaining 15 yrs on your 30yrs mortgage!

So someone is right when he/she suggest that a renter is smart in this case!


Example given was for a 15 year mortgage.
Renter smarter than the homeowner? Renters pay rent to someone - forever. The buyer's mortgage payments end in 15 years. Rent will not remain stagnant for 15 years. And so on. Tired debate.
Drunkard
#30 Posted : Friday, August 19, 2011 12:22:56 AM
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@ For sport,
...Right I was reading 30 yrs mortgage, but still the assumption that buying a house is always a winning bet is something that people sometimes irrationally hold onto, note that when you sign for a mortgage to buy a house, the bank is the investor and you are the borrow and you're only betting on capital appreciation.

First calculate the future value of 12% interest payment on your mortgage, 15 yrs from now, add all the expenses associated with owning a house together with the final investment you'll make 15yrs from now to get the house ready for sell, The interest alone will shock you!that is how much your house need to appreciate in order to break-even, just to break-even.

After that, look at the real estate industry and figure out the parity between Mortgage payments & rent payment and target market wages growth rates & propery prices, these parities will guide the decision to go long or short, short in this case is "not to buy."

My analysis tells me that renter is the smart one based on the current propery market situation and the opportunity cost associated with the disparity between mortgage payments and rent payment! In short, invest the difference between your rent payment and mortgage payment for 15 yrs and see how much it will turn out to be!
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