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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Mainat wrote:I thought KQ already has domestic flights at very competitive flights vis a vis F540 and others? ....yeah but they wanna reduce the costs in maintaining these flights ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/27/2008 Posts: 3,760
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Will make sense to me if they use Wilson as the hub, but transfer-to-intl pax will be a challenge.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,361 Location: Nairobi
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Gordon Gekko wrote:Will make sense to me if they use Wilson as the hub, but transfer-to-intl pax will be a challenge. Int'l can fly KQ from JKIA... the others might use Wilson. Lakini, I think it will be from JKIA. Or just preparing to get ready to use the new terminal. Also huge plus if KQ pax can use the CBD-JKIA line asap! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/27/2008 Posts: 3,760
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BTW, who remembers onejetone? http://www.onejetone.com/
They are currently recruiting.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/23/2010 Posts: 868 Location: La Islas Galápagos
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VituVingiSana wrote:Gordon Gekko wrote:Will make sense to me if they use Wilson as the hub, but transfer-to-intl pax will be a challenge. Int'l can fly KQ from JKIA... the others might use Wilson. Lakini, I think it will be from JKIA. Or just preparing to get ready to use the new terminal. Also huge plus if KQ pax can use the CBD-JKIA line asap! All depends on the aircraft to be used for these flights. Some stats: * Wilson runway length = 1,440m * JKIA runway length = 4,000m The runway requirements for some aircraft: * 737 = 2,000m * 747 = 3,200m * Embraer = 1,400m To these runway lengths, add requirements for complications e.g. wind, rain, difficult landing, visibility, engine failure, flaps, etc etc. KQ will only operate from Wilson if they operate Cessna or something small A bad day fishing is better than a good day at work
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/23/2010 Posts: 868 Location: La Islas Galápagos
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Also remember that when power goes out at JKIA, flights are diverted to Entebbe and not Wilson, mostly since the airplanes cannot land at Wilson except for emergency landings. A bad day fishing is better than a good day at work
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,361 Location: Nairobi
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@statmeister - Interesting info. So there is a chance KQ may use the Embraers at Wilson if the 1,440m is sufficient? [tho isn't the safety margin of 40m too little?] Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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Runway length require is quite a relative term. The shorter the runway, the more limited the payload. I doubt Wilson is on the cards. Majorly because:
1. Wilson has no IAPs- no instrument approaches
2. Will severly affect payload uplift
3. Too many obstacles on takeoff path further limiting climb limited weight.
4. Too much traffic in Wilson. Too many training flights, charters etc. Infact, the guys who are supposed to be using Wilson are moving to Ololoitikosh(Orly) Airport.
5. Too tight for an airliner, albeit even for the ERJ
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/23/2010 Posts: 868 Location: La Islas Galápagos
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VituVingiSana wrote:@statmeister - Interesting info. So there is a chance KQ may use the Embraers at Wilson if the 1,440m is sufficient?
[tho isn't the safety margin of 40m too little?] Willy has 2 runways, 07/25 (1,462) & 14/32 (1,540), while Embraer runway requirements are E170 (1,644), E175 (2,244m), E190 (2,056), E190 (2,179). A headwind reduces these lengths, meaning take-off on 07 of 07/25 (take-off from Willy towards South B, highly unadvisable) Too much against Embraer or Boeing at Willy A bad day fishing is better than a good day at work
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/23/2010 Posts: 868 Location: La Islas Galápagos
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Horton wrote:Runway length require is quite a relative term. The shorter the runway, the more limited the payload. I doubt Wilson is on the cards. Majorly because:
1. Wilson has no IAPs- no instrument approaches
2. Will severly affect payload uplift
3. Too many obstacles on takeoff path further limiting climb limited weight.
4. Too much traffic in Wilson. Too many training flights, charters etc. Infact, the guys who are supposed to be using Wilson are moving to Ololoitikosh(Orly) Airport.
5. Too tight for an airliner, albeit even for the ERJ
@Horton, without ILS, planes will require larger separations, with the larger Embraers out-competing the smaller planes. One E190 taking off will mean no takeoffs by small craft for up to 10 minutes on the same runway. The Es should just go to JKIA Also, if a plane has faulty flaps, slats or landing gear, you add on runway length. A bad day fishing is better than a good day at work
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