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Fear on the Street: Inside the Stock Sell-Off
VituVingiSana
#141 Posted : Thursday, August 11, 2011 7:59:43 PM
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Sigh, where is that $60 oil!

How I would benefit:
- KK makes more 'net margin' with cheaper oil since the 6/- margin is higher as % on 80/- petrol vs 115/- petrol. Also lower financing costs!

- KPLC. Lower (fuel) charges for consumers means increased consumption & lower defaults.

- KQ. The losses on the fuel hedges will be more than offset by savings on Spot Purchases. Over time, more people will fly if the fares are lower due to lower fuel surcharges!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
trizher
#142 Posted : Friday, August 12, 2011 6:35:31 AM
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Location: Tikrit - IRAQ
Nabwire wrote:
...... A country where someone can be unemployed and be paid 3/4 of their salary for 2 years, and you bet against that? A country where most of the citizens dont care about the rest of the world, they think they are the world, ...... it means with or without downgrade, they will still eat McDonald's, still shop at Walmart, still go to Disneyland for vacation ........... until there i'm with the yankees

RED...Which state is that?.
GREEN....true.
BLUE...true but 78% live hand to mouth or paycheck to paycheck.
INDIGO...sweetest place freedomwise and dontcarewise.
All in all the US basically runs the world....UNTIL China takes over in .... years.
...We do it for the $$$$!!
brian mackenzie
#143 Posted : Friday, August 12, 2011 9:22:27 AM
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Nabwire wrote:
...... A country where someone can be unemployed and be paid 3/4 of their salary for 2 years, and you bet against that? A country where most of the citizens dont care about the rest of the world, they think they are the world, ...... it means with or without downgrade, they will still eat McDonald's, still shop at Walmart, still go to Disneyland for vacation ........... until there i'm with the yankees


this is not a joke Nabwire, the level of unemployment according to MSNBC today is higher than it has ever been in the history of America. That should tell you something about the demand for McDonalds and shopping for luxuries. further you need to understand the American culture which like south Africans is built on credit. People spend what they expect to earn and are hence forever indebted. That is why such countries are heavily affected by recessions because of unpaid arrears and bills. This is the reason why SA firms such as Nu Metro, fast foods giant Nandos, retail chain Metro Cash & Carry and household goods outlet Supreme Furniture, media24 etc have failed. There culture differs with ours and that could also be the reason why Kenyan firms have failed in Tanzania, different cultures period. Globalization and deregulation may have opened up new markets but that does not mean that firms will succeed in doing business.America is in trouble and they are not alone, Europe is also in turmoil. The question is, when will this catch up with us in Africa because it will eventually catch up with us so long as we do need financial assistance from these countries. Maybe they'll require budget cuts and accountability in future that will limit government expenditures
Mainat
#144 Posted : Friday, August 12, 2011 10:12:40 AM
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Even if oil was coming fro Ug, we'd pay for it in dollars.
Sehemu ndio nyumba
Cde Monomotapa
#145 Posted : Friday, August 12, 2011 10:29:09 AM
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Mainat wrote:
Even if oil was coming fro Ug, we'd pay for it in dollars.

and then we'd sell them our manufactured products & services, thus, keeping the money within the family (EAC: Spider Web Economics) beats wiring $ over the Indian Ocean.
VituVingiSana
#146 Posted : Friday, August 12, 2011 10:40:31 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Mainat wrote:
Even if oil was coming fro Ug, we'd pay for it in dollars.

and then we'd sell them our manufactured products & services, thus, keeping the money within the family (EAC: Spider Web Economics) beats wiring $ over the Indian Ocean.
Lakini, even Kenya imports most of the stuff! Check out Tusky's or Nakumatt! China will buy more planes from Russia not Kenya, cars from anywhere but Kenya, electronics form China, Korea & Japan not Kenya, etc

Yes, Kenya WILL benefit from Uganda's oil money but I hope we can be 'real' suppliers not just a distribution hub.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
brian mackenzie
#147 Posted : Friday, August 12, 2011 11:25:34 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Mainat wrote:
Even if oil was coming fro Ug, we'd pay for it in dollars.

and then we'd sell them our manufactured products & services, thus, keeping the money within the family (EAC: Spider Web Economics) beats wiring $ over the Indian Ocean.
Lakini, even Kenya imports most of the stuff! Check out Tusky's or Nakumatt! China will buy more planes from Russia not Kenya, cars from anywhere but Kenya, electronics form China, Korea & Japan not Kenya, etc

Yes, Kenya WILL benefit from Uganda's oil money but I hope we can be 'real' suppliers not just a distribution hub.

an economy cannot grow through self inclusion. we dont have the absolute nor the comparative advantage to do that. it might be expensive to make a car in kenya than in china. the reason why countries charge in dollars just like EA cables is because of foreign exchange risk associated losses. we need europe as much as they need us,thats the beauty of business
Nabwire
#148 Posted : Friday, August 12, 2011 9:06:03 PM
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Trizher google 99ers for your answer. By the way I dont know about the US being the sweetest place, its a tough place to live in.
Brian I did not say they dont have high unemployment or dont have problems, I said that they dont care. They still shop at vintage American stores, thats why in recessions, stores like McDonald's do well.
McDonald's is trading at $86
Walmart at $50
Disney at $33
Coca Cola at 67
etc etc. You cant argue against their spending power
trizher
#149 Posted : Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:47:54 AM
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Location: Tikrit - IRAQ
Nabwire wrote:
Trizher google 99ers for your answer. By the way I dont know about the US being the sweetest place, its a tough place to live in.
...hope sio food stamps u talkin about...... Its a nice place coz of the fact that they dealt with the BASICS a long time ago...ie food, water among others to include electricity.....and that hard work counts.
...We do it for the $$$$!!
Cde Monomotapa
#150 Posted : Saturday, August 13, 2011 9:09:52 AM
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Attitude adjustment coming right up!
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