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Jamani
#21 Posted : Sunday, July 24, 2011 6:30:05 AM
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Jamani wrote:
dunkang wrote:
@Jamani, anyone earning above 200K is upper class, not elite!


This is interesting,...... I dont want to think so....200K upper class?


I would classify it as follows

Lower middle >80=250
middle class >250=600
upper middle >600=800
upper class >800=1.5M
elite >1.5m

Just my thinking not based on any informed source
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#22 Posted : Sunday, July 24, 2011 8:37:06 AM
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Is this per annum income, month or quarter?
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Jamani
#23 Posted : Sunday, July 24, 2011 12:13:23 PM
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Sober wrote:
Is this per annum income, month or quarter?


Per month Sober
kiterunner
#24 Posted : Sunday, July 24, 2011 12:38:35 PM
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Jamani wrote:
Jamani wrote:
dunkang wrote:
@Jamani, anyone earning above 200K is upper class, not elite!


This is interesting,...... I dont want to think so....200K upper class?


I would classify it as follows

Lower middle >80=250
middle class >250=600
upper middle >600=800
upper class >800=1.5M
elite >1.5m

Just my thinking not based on any informed source



I believe the difference in lifestyle of people earning 300k-1M per month is almost negligible so they would nt fall into three distinct groups


In Kenya anyone netting over 50k I would consider middle class too, but you need to factor in lifestyle and education too
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Jamani
#25 Posted : Sunday, July 24, 2011 2:07:34 PM
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[/quote]
I believe the difference in lifestyle of people earning 300k-1M per month is almost negligible so they would nt fall into three distinct groups


In Kenya anyone netting over 50k I would consider middle class too, but you need to factor in lifestyle and education too[/quote]


Well mmmmh nice input though i differ 300K- 1M almost negligible? start with the likely locality of where they might stay, what they drive, which schools they take their kids etc then you will see the difference...

50k middle class, well okay lakini issh issh... i dont know maybe
Genghis Khan
#26 Posted : Monday, July 25, 2011 3:07:02 PM
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If one is 25 single with no kids earning 300k
Another is 35 married with one preschool kid earning 300k
Another is 45 with 3 primary school kids - 300k
Another is 55 with 2kids in college and one in high school - 300k
Another is 65 "no kids" retired, lives mashambani: rent/pension/biashara still 300k

Some are "middle class" some are not...
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Jamani
#27 Posted : Monday, July 25, 2011 3:43:05 PM
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Genghis Khan wrote:
If one is 25 single with no kids earning 300k
Another is 35 married with one preschool kid earning 300k
Another is 45 with 3 primary school kids - 300k
Another is 55 with 2kids in college and one in high school - 300k
Another is 65 "no kids" retired, lives mashambani: rent/pension/biashara still 300k

Some are "middle class" some are not...



Different dimension and a nice approach to the discussion, you have a solid point
For Sport
#28 Posted : Monday, July 25, 2011 6:18:13 PM
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Genghis Khan wrote:
If one is 25 single with no kids earning 300k
Another is 35 married with one preschool kid earning 300k
Another is 45 with 3 primary school kids - 300k
Another is 55 with 2kids in college and one in high school - 300k
Another is 65 "no kids" retired, lives mashambani: rent/pension/biashara still 300k

Some are "middle class" some are not...


None of them is POOR - they all know where their next meal is coming from.
None of them is RICH enough to buy a jet, football club and not feel a pinch.
Solidly in the middle.
erifloss
#29 Posted : Monday, July 25, 2011 6:24:54 PM
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Spending & income go hand in hand for classification purposes.
How would you classify:
1. A guy living in Ayani Kibera in his own house & has 10 rental houses @ 15k rent pm, takes his kids to Riara
2. A guy just across living in Hurlingham earning a salo of 150k net, living in a house where he pays 40k in rent pm, takes his kids to Riara & has investments worth 25m.
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Genghis Khan
#30 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 11:48:20 AM
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For Sport wrote:
Genghis Khan wrote:
If one is 25 single with no kids earning 300k
Another is 35 married with one preschool kid earning 300k
Another is 45 with 3 primary school kids - 300k
Another is 55 with 2kids in college and one in high school - 300k
Another is 65 "no kids" retired, lives mashambani: rent/pension/biashara still 300k

Some are "middle class" some are not...


None of them is POOR - they all know where their next meal is coming from.
None of them is RICH enough to buy a jet, football club and not feel a pinch.
Solidly in the middle.


Standard of living is quite different.

The 55yr old is paying maybe 1m in school fees annually. Plus a family of 5. He has to pay for a proper (3-4bdr) hse and one or two cars.

The 25yr old has disposable income of 200k after tax & rent. He can also afford to take a 30yr mortgage.

Maybe both are middle... but lower and upper
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#31 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 12:33:14 PM
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if you have the resources to cover all of your needs and some of your wants, plus the ability to save for the future, then you are in middle class, i.e you are neither rich nor poor.

Middle class isn't just about income and spending. Health, education, home ownership, political freedom, security -- are directly linked to the strength of the middle class.

You are also automatically in middle class by virtue of your profession (academic, accountant, lawyer, engineer, politician and doctor etc).
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#32 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 12:58:03 PM
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GGK wrote:
if you have the resources to cover all of your needs and some of your wants, plus the ability to save for the future, then you are in middle class, i.e you are neither rich nor poor.

if you cover all your needs you'd probably be in the upper class!!

The middle class is the salivating class, they eat, drink, afford fair to good healthcare and education for heir kids but are still wishing they had more money to lie in Karen or buy that Chrysler.
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#33 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 2:05:01 PM
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McReggae wrote:
The middle class does not exist. If you believe you are part of the middle class, it just means you’re rich and insecure or poor and misinformed.


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#34 Posted : Saturday, August 06, 2011 1:26:08 PM
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McReggae wrote:
McReggae wrote:
The middle class does not exist. If you believe you are part of the middle class, it just means you’re rich and insecure or poor and misinformed.


I once said!!!!

@mcdoba this was original? I think there is a middle class. That grumbling group that can live in a self contained hse probably afford a car and better than average health care and education. They can in most cases afford an insurance, pension and some investments.
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#35 Posted : Sunday, August 07, 2011 3:47:35 AM
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What do you call the class of young men that are living off their mom's money and "managing" (stealing) mom's real estate, collecting dad's rents, pretending to be rich, always in upscale clubs, restaurants and bars showing off, having people fetch faggis for them, talking big, drinking Heinekin and Johnny Mtembezi, driving older Mercedes or tricked-out Mitsubishis with the stereo way too loud, always bragging about the "mitas" that they have invested in the NSE or real estate, starting businesses that they cannot or don't know how to run, always making excuses for what they actually "do", that refuse to finish university and refuse to take on a steady job (even though their family practically GIVES them jobs and school fees), that you haven't seen in two weeks because they "have been in Dubai or Guangzao" and must have the latest, greatest phone?

...And are always hitting their siblings or in-laws up for KsH for the latest, greatest "investment opportunity".

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GGK
#36 Posted : Sunday, August 07, 2011 1:37:26 PM
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smile Hill (or is it Kirma).

Quite blunt....but remember if it can survive three generation, it becomes aristocratic.
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githundi
#37 Posted : Monday, August 08, 2011 12:57:53 AM
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Being middle class is relative to the standard of living one attains rather than salary etal. I would consider any one who affords to have decent basic needs and/ without comforts to be middle class.
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bwenyenye
#38 Posted : Monday, August 08, 2011 11:48:21 AM
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jasonhill wrote:
What do you call the class of young men that are living off their mom's money and "managing" (stealing) mom's real estate, collecting dad's rents, pretending to be rich, always in upscale clubs, restaurants and bars showing off, having people fetch faggis for them, talking big, drinking Heinekin and Johnny Mtembezi, driving older Mercedes or tricked-out Mitsubishis with the stereo way too loud, always bragging about the "mitas" that they have invested in the NSE or real estate, starting businesses that they cannot or don't know how to run, always making excuses for what they actually "do", that refuse to finish university and refuse to take on a steady job (even though their family practically GIVES them jobs and school fees), that you haven't seen in two weeks because they "have been in Dubai or Guangzao" and must have the latest, greatest phone?

...And are always hitting their siblings or in-laws up for KsH for the latest, greatest "investment opportunity".

Best,

Hill


Boss, Those fall squarely in the 'Wannabe' syndrome. One can tell exactly how it ends... Kirima style theatrics.
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african coloner
#39 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2011 1:23:40 PM
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where do people who earns 100k a month lives?
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#40 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2011 1:32:05 PM
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African coloner. Do you mean a person with a 100k budget to spend on rent or total income.
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