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Nyong'o insists on safe abortion
Sober
#1 Posted: : Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:06:38 PM
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Is it archievable? can abortions be safe....huyu mtu anacheza.
African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
Impunity
#2 Posted : Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:20:45 PM
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How do u want this to be contained,now that you dont cheza?
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05:44 PM
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Sober wrote:
Is it archievable? can abortions be safe....huyu mtu anacheza.

of course he is blabbering kama kawaida! this is not acceptable to kenyans
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Sober
#4 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 8:41:30 AM
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How can we make the so called abortions be safe? Looking at the technology in place you find that nothing more can be done to improve. That, my opinion.
African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
jasonhill
#5 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 8:44:02 AM
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I don't see how any type of abortion can be safe...

...for the baby.

Abortion = sacrifice to Molech/Molach.

Best,

Hill
Tebes
#6 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:16:01 PM
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jasonhill wrote:
I don't see how any type of abortion can be safe...

...for the baby.

Abortion = sacrifice to Molech/Molach.

Best,

Hill


What if he was himself aborted at 2 and a half months old......... just what if...

This would have been his diary recollected later.

OCTOBER 5-Today my life began. My parents don't know it yet, I'm as small as a seed of an apple, but it is me already. I am to be a girl. I shall have blond hair and blue eyes. Just about everything is settled, even the fact that I shall Love flowers.

OCTOBER 19-Some say that I'm not a real person yet, that only my mother exists. But I am a real person, just as a small crumb of bread is yet truly bread. My mother is. And I AM.

OCTOBER 23-My mouth is just beginning to open now. Just think in a year or so I shall be laughing and later talking. I know what my first word will be: ma-ma.

OCTOBER 25-My heart began to beat today all by itself. From now on, it shall gently beat for the rest of my life without ever stopping to rest! And after many years it will tire, it will stop, and then I shall die.

NOVEMBER 2-I am growing a bit every day. My arms and legs are beginning to take shape. But I have to wait a long time yet before these little legs will raise me to my fathers arms. Before my arms will be able to gather flowers and embrace my mother.

NOVEMBER 12-Tiny fingers are beginning to form on my hands. Funny how small they are! I'll be able to stroke my mothers hair with them.

NOVEMBER 20-It wasn't until today that the doctor told mom that I am living here under her heart. Oh, how happy she must be! Are you happy mom?

NOVEMBER 25-My mom and dad are probably thinking about a name for me. But they don't know that I am a little girl. I want to be called Katie, I'm gettting so big already.

DECEMBER 10-My hair is growing. It is smooth and bright and shiny. I wonder what kind of hair my mom has?

DECEMBER 13-I am just about able to see. It is dark around me. When mom brings me into the world it will be full of sunshine and flowers. But what I want more than anything is to see my mommy!

DECEMBER 24-I wonder if mom hears the whispering of my heart? Some babies come into the world a little sick, but my heart is strong and healthy. It beats so evenly. Oh, mom, you'll have a healthy little daughter.

DECEMBER 28
Today my mother killed me.


(As published by the WTBTS in the May 22, 1980 issue)

Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you

Abortion can never be safe ......for the unborn child

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kiterunner
#7 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 9:38:34 PM
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how about we leave the choice to the women who are really affected with unwanted pregnancies? IMHO its better to abort safely than end up with a generation of unwanted kids roaming the streets. we ll have to get better arguments to wish this away than its 'unafrican'
our goals are best achieved indirectly
githundi
#8 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 9:49:24 PM
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kiterunner wrote:
how about we leave the choice to the women who are really affected with unwanted pregnancies? IMHO its better to abort safely than end up with a generation of unwanted kids roaming the streets. we ll have to get better arguments to wish this away than its 'unafrican'

what if you were aborted
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kiterunner
#9 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 12:39:40 AM
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githundi wrote:
kiterunner wrote:
how about we leave the choice to the women who are really affected with unwanted pregnancies? IMHO its better to abort safely than end up with a generation of unwanted kids roaming the streets. we ll have to get better arguments to wish this away than its 'unafrican'

what if you were aborted



thats a very hypothetical question, if i were aborted i wouldnt be here and the world would go on, what makes you think if you were aborted the world would stop? Get over it, we have so many kids born into misery that can be prevented. Let the ladies make the choice and if they want to get the service, it should be provided in a safe way
our goals are best achieved indirectly
Insurgent
#10 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 9:06:25 AM
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Sober wrote:
Is it archievable? can abortions be safe....huyu mtu anacheza.
If it is done safely in Japan or Helsinki, why not Nairobi. Or what do you mean by abortion? Is it not the removal of the fetus? Yes, it can be removed by a qualified fetus engineer under conducive conditions. In short, not through quakes and at hidden back-yards.

Let abortion be legalized fully.

Note, the church is against abortion because they know when a country has no poor people, the faithful reduce to a trickle = Religion is the Opiate of the Masses.

If the church cared about the unborn, they would have started with those already born and on the streets.

I would rather not be born in a disjointed family than be born unwanted and become the president of Kenya.


Opiate:

1. a drug containing opium or its derivatives, used in medicine for inducing sleep and relieving pain.

2. any sedative, soporific, or narcotic.

3. anything that causes dullness or inaction or that soothes the feelings.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opiate


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mozenrat
#11 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 2:32:03 PM
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kiterunner wrote:
how about we leave the choice to the women who are really affected with unwanted pregnancies? IMHO its better to abort safely than end up with a generation of unwanted kids roaming the streets. we ll have to get better arguments to wish this away than its 'unafrican'



I find the argument that we leave the choice to the women really backward. What about those fathers who would never dream of murdering their (and it is THEIR) unborn child. Don't they have any rights? We claim that the unborn child is not a life but that is limited by the technology we have today. What if Science detected brain or "soul" function in a 3 week baby, would we have the right to kill this kid. This is nonsense propagated by the American society racked with the guilt of having treated their womenfolk as subhumans for centuries and are now over-compensating by giving them free reign. The fact that it is murder is not negated by referring to it as a "service" or blaming the opposition on the church (which I don't even belong to).
Ms Mkenya
#12 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 5:24:45 PM
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Abortion, as long as it means the willful loss of life, will never be 'safe'. I will not deny that i am a pro-lifer, i am a strong one.

But moral issues aside, who will protect the mother from anguish later? I know a lady who turned alcoholic after an abortion. The 'baby' used to 'cry' near her all the time. She learnt how to dull the cry with some alcohol... soon enough that's all she was responding to, lost her job, her famil, the works. Lucky for her she went into rehab and survived.

Take time and visit centers that deal with such women, and this is not only in Kenya.. there are horrendous stories all over the world.

Prof should concentrate on the cancer foundation.. he is doing ok there.

I personally do not think we can say 'safe' and 'abortion' in the same sentence.
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githundi
#13 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 11:26:50 PM
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kiterunner wrote:
githundi wrote:
kiterunner wrote:
how about we leave the choice to the women who are really affected with unwanted pregnancies? IMHO its better to abort safely than end up with a generation of unwanted kids roaming the streets. we ll have to get better arguments to wish this away than its 'unafrican'

what if you were aborted



thats a very hypothetical question, if i were aborted i wouldnt be here and the world would go on, what makes you think if you were aborted the world would stop? Get over it, we have so many kids born into misery that can be prevented. Let the ladies make the choice and if they want to get the service, it should be provided in a safe way

if your mother gave you a chance to live, don't deny it to others: live and let others live.
Democracy does not belong to the dead
masukuma
#14 Posted : Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:45:03 AM
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While homosexuality is unafrican, Abortion is inhuman! if you don't think so - I suggest that we should then kill all people who are problematic to us. KILL all street children (its better to have them dead than have them roaming the streets), behead all MPs (they are an ache to Kenyan). Let's go with guns to the border of Kenya and Somalia - lets spare ourselves all the trouble brought by these unwanted people - troublesome, eyesores, they don't pay tax, they aid in the proliferation of small arms that may one day be used to rob you of your car and worse still be used to kill you or your loved one! lets kill Bomboclat and other annoying noobs to wazuans because they spoil our online community.
If you think these measures are extreme - that they maybe annoying, eye sores, painful heartaches and criminals but they are HUMANS LIKE US. why do you want to kill someone with the potential to be anyone and is where they are for no fault of their own!
He/She could be anyone, the first Nobel price winner in physics from Kenya or he next Steve Jobs or Bill Gates? Why do we wish to deny others the right that we fiercely defend for ourselves because they are nothing more than an 'inconvenience' to us?
All human beings should be given the right to enjoy life from the WOMB to the TOMB!
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groupielove
#15 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2011 12:02:43 PM
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masukuma wrote:
While homosexuality is unafrican, Abortion is inhuman! if you don't think so - I suggest that we should then kill all people who are problematic to us. KILL all street children (its better to have them dead than have them roaming the streets), behead all MPs (they are an ache to Kenyan). Let's go with guns to the border of Kenya and Somalia - lets spare ourselves all the trouble brought by these unwanted people - troublesome, eyesores, they don't pay tax, they aid in the proliferation of small arms that may one day be used to rob you of your car and worse still be used to kill you or your loved one! lets kill Bomboclat and other annoying noobs to wazuans because they spoil our online community.
If you think these measures are extreme - that they maybe annoying, eye sores, painful heartaches and criminals but they are HUMANS LIKE US. why do you want to kill someone with the potential to be anyone and is where they are for no fault of their own!
He/She could be anyone, the first Nobel price winner in physics from Kenya or he next Steve Jobs or Bill Gates? Why do we wish to deny others the right that we fiercely defend for ourselves because they are nothing more than an 'inconvenience' to us?
All human beings should be given the right to enjoy life from the WOMB to the TOMB!


Can't agree more
bwenyenye
#16 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2011 12:52:17 PM
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Please stop this nonsense of a 'safe' abortion. There is nothing like that! No ONE has a right to determine who should or should not live. What we need to set up are systems of adoption and proper upkeep of those ( both parents) who find themselves in difficult situations . But the ultimate solution to this is SELF CONTROL. Easier prescribed than done; but very doable. If the Kid 'ponyokas' then Let them live.
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gogeta
#17 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2011 1:26:10 PM
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Abortion which is murder is against the law of God.. Churches are there to guide us as far as the law of God is concerned that's why it condemns abortion. Abortion is wrong is immoral is SELFISH...@Masukuma put it so well.
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#18 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2011 1:31:31 PM
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kiterunner wrote:
githundi wrote:
kiterunner wrote:
how about we leave the choice to the women who are really affected with unwanted pregnancies? IMHO its better to abort safely than end up with a generation of unwanted kids roaming the streets. we ll have to get better arguments to wish this away than its 'unafrican'

what if you were aborted



thats a very hypothetical question, if i were aborted i wouldnt be here and the world would go on, what makes you think if you were aborted the world would stop? Get over it, we have so many kids born into misery that can be prevented. Let the ladies make the choice and if they want to get the service, it should be provided in a safe way

Prevented by abortion? I hope am reading you wrong.
He who can express in words the ardour of his love, has but little love to express. - Petrach, Son. (That men by various ways arrive at the same end. - Montaigne, The Essays of.)
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#19 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2011 2:23:33 PM
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#20 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2011 4:01:01 PM
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I think we should be addresing the real cause and not the Symptoms. What causes pple to abort?. i guess its unwanted PGs. can we, and the CHURCH address that?, and once a mistake is done (rape, sex b4 marriage, immorality etc) do we have alternatives to undo the mistake, must i carry a featus from rape to term?.

But another iportant question we should ask is DOES ABORTION HAPPEN TODAY, whether we make it safe or not?. And we all know the answer. Most people who go thro' unsafe abortion have high chances of regret and anguish than those who do it safely. the fact is IT HAPPENS EVERYDAY.
Phew!!!!! one was just aborted b4 I completed posting this one.

If the church( and pro life) is to guide us not to abort, let them first guide us not to engage in sexual escapedes, and tell the rapists to stop their biashara.CAN of WORMS
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