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IT COSTS SH.1500 AND ABOVE TO GET A BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN KENYA
josiah33
#1 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 6:34:30 PM
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If u are thinking of getting your son's or daughter's birth certificate please make sure u have something from sh.1500 in your pocket. The 'ONE DAY RULE' doesn't apply, so don't imagine u will fill the forms and go home with the birth certificate. Another thing, don't follow the laid down procedure of filling forms and waiting and expect to go anywhere: your filled form will always get lost when u go back the day u were told to return to their offices until u realise what u are supposed to do(give a bribe). There's another informal corrupt channel to follow: just give your documents and filled form to a broker/middleman plus a sh.1500 and above bribe and leave everything to him. Don't forget to be very careful and also learn to tell a conman from a broker. THAT'S THE KENYA WE LIVE IN.
Ms Mkenya
#2 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 6:52:20 PM
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I beg to differ.
I agree the one day rule does not apply but i got mine within two weeks.
I filled out the forms, i was asked to return after a week, i returned after about 10 days, early in the morning.. I was told to wait, i waiiited till about 11.30 and got mine.

The problem is that most people go when they are hard pressed with time-the document is needed for something.. Go collect the birth cert when you have ample time. When you bribe the difference between you and the sheria house employee is the same... Let's stop feeding these mongrels!
....above all, to stand.
josiah33
#3 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 6:59:41 PM
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Well! That and the problem i hear people say exist at the lands ministry is enough to scare every kenyan or at least this one angry guy(me) that has a child and wants to buy land to build a home for his/her family. If i could get alot of dough i'd relocate to another country where things are much easier and am hoping that too, wouldn't be made difficult by a few kenyans who are corrupt to their bone narrows and are also not willing to do their jobs. Why would i say, I AM PROUD TO BE KENYAN? Give me a reason now.
josiah33
#4 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 7:07:46 PM
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@ms mkenya it's more than 3 months now since i started looking for my son's birth certificate and 3 months is ample time. I have filled the forms 2 times and don't tell me am just unlucky that my forms can't be found every time i return the day am told to do so.
For Sport
#5 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 7:10:14 PM
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Ms Mkenya wrote:
I beg to differ.
I agree the one day rule does not apply but i got mine within two weeks.
I filled out the forms, i was asked to return after a week, i returned after about 10 days, early in the morning.. I was told to wait, i waiiited till about 11.30 and got mine.

The problem is that most people go when they are hard pressed with time-the document is needed for something.. Go collect the birth cert when you have ample time. When you bribe the difference between you and the sheria house employee is the same... Let's stop feeding these mongrels!


I agree - starve the beast. I remember acting daft when it looked like someone wanted to get bribed, raising my voice a lot, asking for clear directions / guidance on the process e.g. asking what it is I'm waiting for, who is supposed to do it, can they be reached on phone or cant someone else do it etc.
Its your country - demand for services.
The problem is that we're the same people who keep feeding the beast and then complaining about how things cant done unless you pay a bribe.

josiah33
#6 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 7:15:53 PM
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I haven't gotten my son's birth certificate so i haven't given a bribe and thus i haven't fed the mongrels. That's why i am venting my anger here.
josiah33
#7 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 7:22:24 PM
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At this rate we will be asking for a bribe just to give directions to someone who can't find his way to somewhere. If he doesn't give the bribe we would just lead him to the opposite direction just so he knows nothing is for free in kenya.
Ms Mkenya
#8 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 7:25:28 PM
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josiah33 wrote:
I haven't gotten my son's birth certificate so i haven't given a bribe and thus i haven't fed the mongrels. That's why i am venting my anger here.


Time to be a drama 'King' when you next show up.. By Ample time i meant like a day off... Just go sit there until they get fed up. Give the 'Nitangonjea' line .. They get fed up coz you are seeing them take bribes so they 'get rid' of you..

Then just walk into the boss's office-its on the opposite side-if no one will listen to you.

On a serious note, they are taking such complaints seriously. I am told there is an office you can take such matters to.

Wakikataa, write to Watchman.. And thanks for starving the beast!
....above all, to stand.
josiah33
#9 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 7:36:14 PM
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@Ms Mkenya What's this complaint office and what is that boss's job title? I think the WATCHMAN idea is a good one since emails to their enquiry and complaints email addresses don't get thro'. It's like they block u and on purpose. Why give the email addresses to the public in the first place. Give me a reason to proudly say am kenyan.
'user'
#10 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 9:04:13 PM
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starve the beast.Ive been getting the ones for my kids in four days. I apply for the cert six weeks after birth and pay only the official 150/-

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josiah33
#11 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 9:40:31 PM
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@user u are so lucky. Maybe am not kenyan enough to get services there. The last time i checked i still had my kenyan birth certificate and i was still the son of two kenyan parents
josiah33
#12 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 9:56:11 PM
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Let's face it, when it became a requirement to have a birth certificate inorder to register for national examinations and probably get enrolled in primary school some goons saw an opportunity to make cash. Now people are looking for that birth certificate more than a few years ago when most people didn't see the need for chasing around after the document.
kangi
#13 Posted : Saturday, July 30, 2011 10:29:12 AM
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@ Josiah. I got the certs for my children over December and this took me some two weeks.Luckily I was on leave and decided to be patient through the process. It worked even after one of the brokers asked how fast I needed them.I just told him am in no hurry and he backed off.

Probably one of these fellows approached you and fell for his antics, knowing that u were in a hurry must want to make u believe how tedious the process is.

Last April I also went to register a business and it has taken me one month to get the cert at Sheria Hse (though at one time I had to be a drama King to get my message across).

All in all at least service delivery is there if you can compare with some decade ago.

Cause drama but dont mention you gave the shs.1500
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#14 Posted : Saturday, July 30, 2011 11:51:08 AM
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'user' wrote:
starve the beast.Ive been getting the ones for my kids in four days. I apply for the cert six weeks after birth and pay only the official 150/-



Make that two of us, and I've done it twice.
Ms Mkenya
#15 Posted : Saturday, July 30, 2011 12:36:01 PM
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@ Jo, allow me to get back to you on monday with that complaints office detail.
Glad to hear all you others are being drama kings n queens smile.
By the way these days even renewing a passport is easy smile. Kuna hope.
....above all, to stand.
josiah33
#16 Posted : Saturday, July 30, 2011 1:57:26 PM
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@kangi i think i mentioned that the reason i am not able to get a birth certificate for my son is because i haven't given sh.1500 to a broker. @Ms Mkenya u seem to be so sympathetic towards this corrupt guys.
josiah33
#17 Posted : Saturday, July 30, 2011 4:02:30 PM
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Or maybe some people are treated badly and some are treated well and they get the services. In my case i have been so unlucky but am hoping to get the certificate soon.
Ms Mkenya
#18 Posted : Saturday, July 30, 2011 4:43:41 PM
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No i'm not. They said they paid the official 150 bob or did i misread?
I am for starving the beasts totally.
....above all, to stand.
sanity
#19 Posted : Saturday, July 30, 2011 9:29:56 PM
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@Josiah,why would you deal with a broker when it is easier to follow the correct procedure..simply ignore the brokers.I also agree that things have improved much in some of these government offices.except lands offices of course.
Hope is not a strategy
josiah33
#20 Posted : Saturday, July 30, 2011 9:54:57 PM
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@sanity i filled the forms twice and each time the filled forms disappeared so there's no point trying to follow correct procedure. Well! I haven't used a broker and am not planning to use one but i understand it's the way most guys like me are going. I am going to think of a way to lay my hands on that cert. and if i had the power to make those dunderheads at sheria house or bishops garden house or whatever and those hungry city council guys who keep the hospitals records of birth do their work, i'd teach them a real lesson.
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