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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/12/2006 Posts: 1,554
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Jamani wrote:dunkang wrote:@Jamani, anyone earning above 200K is upper class, not elite! This is interesting,...... I dont want to think so....200K upper class? I would classify it as follows Lower middle >80=250 middle class >250=600 upper middle >600=800 upper class >800=1.5M elite >1.5m Just my thinking not based on any informed source
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/27/2007 Posts: 3,604
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Is this per annum income, month or quarter? African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/12/2006 Posts: 1,554
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Sober wrote:Is this per annum income, month or quarter? Per month Sober
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/9/2011 Posts: 730 Location: Nairobi
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Jamani wrote:Jamani wrote:dunkang wrote:@Jamani, anyone earning above 200K is upper class, not elite! This is interesting,...... I dont want to think so....200K upper class? I would classify it as follows Lower middle >80=250 middle class >250=600 upper middle >600=800 upper class >800=1.5M elite >1.5m Just my thinking not based on any informed source I believe the difference in lifestyle of people earning 300k-1M per month is almost negligible so they would nt fall into three distinct groups In Kenya anyone netting over 50k I would consider middle class too, but you need to factor in lifestyle and education too our goals are best achieved indirectly
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/12/2006 Posts: 1,554
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[/quote] I believe the difference in lifestyle of people earning 300k-1M per month is almost negligible so they would nt fall into three distinct groups
In Kenya anyone netting over 50k I would consider middle class too, but you need to factor in lifestyle and education too[/quote]
Well mmmmh nice input though i differ 300K- 1M almost negligible? start with the likely locality of where they might stay, what they drive, which schools they take their kids etc then you will see the difference...
50k middle class, well okay lakini issh issh... i dont know maybe
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/5/2010 Posts: 335 Location: Nairobi
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If one is 25 single with no kids earning 300k Another is 35 married with one preschool kid earning 300k Another is 45 with 3 primary school kids - 300k Another is 55 with 2kids in college and one in high school - 300k Another is 65 "no kids" retired, lives mashambani: rent/pension/biashara still 300k Some are "middle class" some are not... "I'd rather be lucky than clever... every time!" - ME "The problem is not what we don't know... it's what we know for sure that just ain't!" - MARK TWAIN "Space we can recover... time never!" - NAPOLEON BONAPARTE
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/12/2006 Posts: 1,554
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Genghis Khan wrote:If one is 25 single with no kids earning 300k Another is 35 married with one preschool kid earning 300k Another is 45 with 3 primary school kids - 300k Another is 55 with 2kids in college and one in high school - 300k Another is 65 "no kids" retired, lives mashambani: rent/pension/biashara still 300k
Some are "middle class" some are not... Different dimension and a nice approach to the discussion, you have a solid point
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/23/2010 Posts: 1,229
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Genghis Khan wrote:If one is 25 single with no kids earning 300k Another is 35 married with one preschool kid earning 300k Another is 45 with 3 primary school kids - 300k Another is 55 with 2kids in college and one in high school - 300k Another is 65 "no kids" retired, lives mashambani: rent/pension/biashara still 300k
Some are "middle class" some are not... None of them is POOR - they all know where their next meal is coming from. None of them is RICH enough to buy a jet, football club and not feel a pinch. Solidly in the middle.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/21/2010 Posts: 514 Location: Nairobi
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Spending & income go hand in hand for classification purposes. How would you classify: 1. A guy living in Ayani Kibera in his own house & has 10 rental houses @ 15k rent pm, takes his kids to Riara 2. A guy just across living in Hurlingham earning a salo of 150k net, living in a house where he pays 40k in rent pm, takes his kids to Riara & has investments worth 25m. 'They say money cannot buy me happiness but when i compare when i had none and now, i'm happier' Kevin O'leary
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/5/2010 Posts: 335 Location: Nairobi
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For Sport wrote:Genghis Khan wrote:If one is 25 single with no kids earning 300k Another is 35 married with one preschool kid earning 300k Another is 45 with 3 primary school kids - 300k Another is 55 with 2kids in college and one in high school - 300k Another is 65 "no kids" retired, lives mashambani: rent/pension/biashara still 300k
Some are "middle class" some are not... None of them is POOR - they all know where their next meal is coming from. None of them is RICH enough to buy a jet, football club and not feel a pinch. Solidly in the middle. Standard of living is quite different. The 55yr old is paying maybe 1m in school fees annually. Plus a family of 5. He has to pay for a proper (3-4bdr) hse and one or two cars. The 25yr old has disposable income of 200k after tax & rent. He can also afford to take a 30yr mortgage. Maybe both are middle... but lower and upper "I'd rather be lucky than clever... every time!" - ME "The problem is not what we don't know... it's what we know for sure that just ain't!" - MARK TWAIN "Space we can recover... time never!" - NAPOLEON BONAPARTE
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru
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if you have the resources to cover all of your needs and some of your wants, plus the ability to save for the future, then you are in middle class, i.e you are neither rich nor poor. Middle class isn't just about income and spending. Health, education, home ownership, political freedom, security -- are directly linked to the strength of the middle class. You are also automatically in middle class by virtue of your profession (academic, accountant, lawyer, engineer, politician and doctor etc). "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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GGK wrote:if you have the resources to cover all of your needs and some of your wants, plus the ability to save for the future, then you are in middle class, i.e you are neither rich nor poor.
if you cover all your needs you'd probably be in the upper class!! The middle class is the salivating class, they eat, drink, afford fair to good healthcare and education for heir kids but are still wishing they had more money to lie in Karen or buy that Chrysler.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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McReggae wrote:The middle class does not exist. If you believe you are part of the middle class, it just means you’re rich and insecure or poor and misinformed.
I once said!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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McReggae wrote:McReggae wrote:The middle class does not exist. If you believe you are part of the middle class, it just means you’re rich and insecure or poor and misinformed.
I once said!!!! @mcdoba this was original? I think there is a middle class. That grumbling group that can live in a self contained hse probably afford a car and better than average health care and education. They can in most cases afford an insurance, pension and some investments.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/22/2011 Posts: 322 Location: Chicago, IL, USA
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What do you call the class of young men that are living off their mom's money and "managing" (stealing) mom's real estate, collecting dad's rents, pretending to be rich, always in upscale clubs, restaurants and bars showing off, having people fetch faggis for them, talking big, drinking Heinekin and Johnny Mtembezi, driving older Mercedes or tricked-out Mitsubishis with the stereo way too loud, always bragging about the "mitas" that they have invested in the NSE or real estate, starting businesses that they cannot or don't know how to run, always making excuses for what they actually "do", that refuse to finish university and refuse to take on a steady job (even though their family practically GIVES them jobs and school fees), that you haven't seen in two weeks because they "have been in Dubai or Guangzao" and must have the latest, greatest phone?
...And are always hitting their siblings or in-laws up for KsH for the latest, greatest "investment opportunity".
Best,
Hill
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru
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Hill (or is it Kirma). Quite blunt....but remember if it can survive three generation, it becomes aristocratic. "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/19/2010 Posts: 1,308 Location: nairobi metropolitan
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Being middle class is relative to the standard of living one attains rather than salary etal. I would consider any one who affords to have decent basic needs and/ without comforts to be middle class. Democracy does not belong to the dead
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/24/2007 Posts: 1,805
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jasonhill wrote:What do you call the class of young men that are living off their mom's money and "managing" (stealing) mom's real estate, collecting dad's rents, pretending to be rich, always in upscale clubs, restaurants and bars showing off, having people fetch faggis for them, talking big, drinking Heinekin and Johnny Mtembezi, driving older Mercedes or tricked-out Mitsubishis with the stereo way too loud, always bragging about the "mitas" that they have invested in the NSE or real estate, starting businesses that they cannot or don't know how to run, always making excuses for what they actually "do", that refuse to finish university and refuse to take on a steady job (even though their family practically GIVES them jobs and school fees), that you haven't seen in two weeks because they "have been in Dubai or Guangzao" and must have the latest, greatest phone?
...And are always hitting their siblings or in-laws up for KsH for the latest, greatest "investment opportunity".
Best,
Hill Boss, Those fall squarely in the 'Wannabe' syndrome. One can tell exactly how it ends... Kirima style theatrics. I Think Therefore I Am
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/8/2010 Posts: 446 Location: london
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where do people who earns 100k a month lives?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/27/2007 Posts: 3,604
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African coloner. Do you mean a person with a 100k budget to spend on rent or total income. African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
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