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Kibaki and Muthaura humiliated!!!
wote
#21 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:12:00 AM
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@mpenzi,please do not get there. To all of you guys,A writ of mandamus or mandamus (which means''we command ''in latin),or sometimes mandate is the name of one of the prerogative writs in common law,and is issued by a superior court to compel a lower court or a government officer to perform a mandate that is already theirs. I.e compelled to do what they are employed to do in the frist place. How this then relates to our current situation search me''.

MPs can actually vote and nulify an executive decission by a simply majority,those are standing orders. or they can pass another act outlawing the existing act.i.e they can pass a law outlawing the current one but with a specific proviso as to how the office holder is expected to carry out his duties



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mwenza
#22 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:15:00 AM
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@ Mpenzi

If u remove letters 'p' and 'i' from your name and replace them with letters 'w' and 'a' respectively you will get a more familiar name. However,dont confuse 'silence' with 'lack of humiliation'.


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jaribu
#23 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:31:00 AM
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@ Mr Tea...et all

this was never about mr ringera. please stop personalizing the issue. listening to the chairman of legal affair committee Mohamed Abdikadir this morning,he made it clear it was about the flawed procedure kibaki used-cunningly- just before recess to reappoint mr ringera. it's now up to the kacc advisory board to advertise for ringera's post and if he feels like re-applying,well,there's nothing to stop him. the board may or may not pick him. IT WAS ABOUT TAMING THE ROGUE EXECUTIVE. kacc chief investigator one dr mutonya was re-appointed by the board through proper procedures. when his tenure ended,the board advertised,he applied and beat off stiff competition to be the winner. his name was forward to kibaki and that's how he was picked. so why were the same methods not applied on ringera's case?


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Wendz
#24 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:32:00 AM
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@Njung'e

All the more embarrassing!! I had so much hope in this dude i thought he would be just a little bit different! Naaah,not one bit... same coat circulating between him,thirikwa,gachara and kimondo!! I have realised he cant stand on his feet but has to hang on the uhurus et al.... mmmmh,it was a bad move supporting the 'evil alliances' of Ruto and Uhuru.... Of course he is being used and he will be dumped so quickly he wont know what hit him.

Be sure i will be on your campaign trail against him!!!

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mtaalam
#25 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:39:00 AM
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There's no achievement there. What's the point of replacing the driver of a bus that has no engine and wheels.

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Njunge
#26 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:43:00 AM
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@Mtalaam,
No driver has been replaced.If anything,parliamentarians are telling MK that he needs not a driver for a hopelessly dead bus.BTW,parliament has the capacity to dismantle that bus and sell it as scrap and buy a new one........did i hear you say Amen?.
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Mr.Tea
#27 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:56:00 AM
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@ Jaribu,
I have not the slightest clue as to how I have made this issue personal.Perhaps you could be so kind as to educate me how... People like you make the most sought after audience for the shenanigans when they stand up in public places and fora with their eloquent arguments designed to fool the informed and the educated. Look out for such deception. In the end,its just deceit whatever the appearance.

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Brewer
#28 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:15:00 AM
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@Wote,i thought Mpenzi asked a valid question,cite the law that says parliament can annul in a BINDING form a gazette notice. It is laughable seeing Orengo quoted as citing section 85 of the constitution on powersto revoke executive orders as justification for this one.

All said and done I think Kibaki made his point,parliament has made its point,the court will make its point and as Kenyans we should celebrate that the three arms of government may actually be checking each other's powers and yet hakuna reli imengolewa. Believe you me parliament needs to be checked too for they were not baptised MPIGS in vain. And this demonising of MPs for voting like sambili did is a form of witch-hunting,that defeats the whole argument about democracy- would you rather MPs agreed all the time,like they did about their salaries and taxation? One thing is for sure,as long as Kibaki's MPs are outnumbered in parliament we will continue to have this kind of drama.

Mpenzi,if am not wrong,the board and parliament has 3 months within which to fill vacancy of director of KACC,so what happens when parliament is in recess for beyond the 3 months as they usually do from December?
wote
#29 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:29:00 AM
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@brewer surely if you ask me about the colour of a carpet and we are talking about forests would that be a valid question.

please see my reply below it clearly says standing orders that is what guides parliament and not laws.

Even Njung'e has put it better in simple and clear way.


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Mr.Tea
#30 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:37:00 AM
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@wote,
I am sure that must have been a slip of the tongue...Parliament like everyone else,is guided by the law and all laws of Kenya.Standing orders just guide debate and conduct of members inside the house.

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Brewer
#31 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:38:00 AM
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@ Wote,stop beating about the bush,which standing order? Quote it!
Mpenzi
#32 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:40:00 AM
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@wote
I am,like Brewer,still waiting for you to quote the law that gives Parliament the power to to nullify a gazette notice.
willin2learn
#33 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:55:00 AM
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I find nothing to 'drink to' on the parliament's decision. Aren't they the same ones who 24 hours earlier had voted for the 'mau bill' to compensate their colleagues? That was just a show of might not conscience. I bet if Kibaki had 'consullted' them on Ringera reappointment they would have seconded that without much thought.


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masukuma
#34 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:05:00 AM
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Can parliament be sued?
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McReggae
#35 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:23:00 AM
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What do guyz want Wote to quote,parliament just did wat you guys are asking of,they annulled the gazate notice,it is you to check wat law they used. Why ask questions as if yu have all the laws in your hands to very whether wote would be cheating or saying the truth!!!!

On the hand if Kibaki cannot be humiliated,did any one hear Beth's defence of the same,he asked the MPigs not to 'humiliate' the president!!!

Somebody said that in yesterday's proceedings MK really lacked one Martha Karua,his backers were defending his action using English yet here it is the law that was required!!!!


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Brewer
#36 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:38:00 AM
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McReggae,you really amaze. The whole point of yesterday's parliamentary business was that the reappointment was illegal and that their annulling it was legal. Period!

It is a whole thing to argue with the brilliance and apparent honesty of David Musila,who voted as a matter of principle,and another to justify parliament's action on the basis of law and want us to believe we should not bother citing that law.
masukuma
#37 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:39:00 AM
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Kibaki can choose to just press the ignore button but in the long run he must tow the line or pay ringera from his pocket.
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wote
#38 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:41:00 AM
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brewer,i live in the USA and i suppose you live in Kenya' those events happened in Kenya yesterday,you should have found why the happened and under what law.

mpenzi,i think you are cofusing people here' i already answered your questions' that was not about Ringera the person but rather how he got there(his reappointment as opossed to his competency if he has any) that was an issue and defined to you what a mandamus order is and when its used as opossed what you think it should be.Do yourself a favour and check it out on google,or simple pay me to teach you.



Thanks mcreggae.


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Mpenzi
#39 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:51:00 AM
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@wote

You are evading what is a very straight-forward question - what is the provision in the law that empowers parliament to nullify a gazette notice? The fact that you are in the US is irrelevant - all Kenyan laws are online at :

http://www.kenyalaw.org
nanfor
#40 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:59:00 AM
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I couldn&rsquo;t miss out on this after I was told about it by a few guys.

As usual we always seem to miss the point. We pray for rain and forget to plant trees.

This is what happened yesterday and forgive me if I don&rsquo;t have all the facts right.

&middot; Someone decided Ringera must go

&middot; Someone said because he was ineffective

&middot; Someone said because it was good politics

&middot; Someone said because of the 'mood' of the nation

&middot; Someone said because it will 'tame' the executive

I don&rsquo;t know Ringera neither I&rsquo;m I privy to the effectiveness of his team or not. As for taming someone who doesn&rsquo;t know there are IDP&rsquo;S,or the mood of the nation,that is a topic for another day.

The question is how it was done and its effects on the Kenyan people. i.e. me as I try and figure out how to buy a piece of property.

By your 'honorable' Mp&rsquo;s deciding in their 'wisdom' that they can now revoke anything in the Kenya Gazette,it means that every time I buy a property in Kenya,some guy who knows a few Mp&rsquo;s can hire them and get my transaction revoked.

Heck. If I want to change my name,parliament can revoke it. If you want to sue anyone,your gazette notice can be revoked by power hungry assholes as long as the other party has the money.

It is all well and good to have the executive follow the law but does it make sense to now allow parliament become the judge and jury to all business transactions in the country?HELL NO!

Remove your faces from Ringera&rsquo;s ass and get to understand what parliament has just done.

They are now in effect the judges to the laws that they create.

If they say KACA is ineffective,by all means,let them with same gusto they had against Ringera now come up with laws that will actually serve me when a policeman asks me for a bribe. Not trying to make me a slave to their politics and personality laden laws.

By the way,this is coming from someone who believes that everyone in gov&rsquo;t including Ringera should be at home watching the grass grow.

When Kenyans will stop thinking about personalities,tribes,parties and any other new gimic,they may start thinking of the effects of some of the actions that these politicians make on their own and their children&rsquo;s lives.
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