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chalan
#1 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:01:23 AM
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Who belongs to the middle-class in Kenya today? And how much should one be making, per annum, while in the middle-class?
For Sport
#2 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:10:33 AM
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Ericsson
#3 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:12:54 AM
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Middle Class in Kenya is determined by spending and hanging out joints
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Wa_ithaka
#4 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:18:28 AM
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Can afford to run a mitumba car; various mpanga wa kandos; can get a loan from Ekweity and quarter nyama soma at Njuguna's every other weekend and has a 1/8th somewhere and probably lives in purupuru or equivalent.
The Governor of Nyeri - 2017
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#5 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:33:28 AM
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Wa_ithaka wrote:
Can afford to run a mitumba car; various mpanga wa kandos; can get a loan from Ekweity and quarter nyama soma at Njuguna's every other weekend and has a 1/8th somewhere and probably lives in purupuru or equivalent.


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willin2learn
#6 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:51:59 AM
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Wa_ithaka wrote:
Can afford to run a mitumba car; various mpanga wa kandos; can get a loan from Ekweity and quarter nyama soma at Njuguna's every other weekend and has a 1/8th somewhere and probably lives in purupuru or equivalent.



@Governor,

Interesting observation. Is Middle class defined by Earning, Spending or Residential Area?
Cde Monomotapa
#7 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:57:38 AM
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Mostly spending & propensity for consumer credit.
dunkang
#8 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:01:23 AM
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I disagree on the mpango wa Kando.

I think, a middle class kenyan should be one who earns between 40K - 200K kenyan money net.

Most probably living in a rented 2 bedroom house (ama na wazazi ushago), can afford a 2-3 days vacation to Mombasa or Naivasha annually and must be MALE!

For FEMALES, you cannot use salary to classify her, but should be able to;
i. Have a middle class jamaa,
ii. Can afford to convince a guy to take her to Mombasa in Dec.,
iii. Does not take chang'aa!
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Impunity
#9 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:08:44 AM
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Wa_ithaka wrote:
Can afford to run a mitumba car; various mpanga wa kandos; can get a loan from Ekweity and quarter nyama soma at Njuguna's every other weekend and has a 1/8th somewhere and probably lives in purupuru or equivalent.


Whatever you have said describes a colleague of mine here in wazua.

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willin2learn
#10 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:11:43 AM
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dunkang wrote:
I disagree on the mpango wa Kando.

I think, a middle class kenyan should be one who earns between 40K - 200K kenyan money net.

Most probably living in a rented 2 bedroom house (ama na wazazi ushago), can afford a 2-3 days vacation to Mombasa or Naivasha annually and must be MALE!

For FEMALES, you cannot use salary to classify her, but should be able to;
i. Have a middle class jamaa,
ii. Can afford to convince a guy to take her to Mombasa in Dec.,
iii. Does not take chang'aa!


@dunkang,

It's funny how Landing finds it's way in almost all threads. I thought @Waithaka meant various side Hustles not the Mpango wa kando of the landing type
GGK
#11 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:20:20 AM
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For you to be classified as middle class in Kenya you need to spend between $2 and $20 a day (Kshs 180 to 1800. Put simply, once you start shopping in a super market in Kenya... you have ceased living from hand-to-mouth (kadogo econ) and you've entered the realms of Middle class.


45% of Kenyans are considered middle class though quite a number spend between $2 and $4 just hovering above poverty line and will get back there if an disastrous event occur like disease.

Mpango wa Kando is not restricted to middle class... even the poor have...but hesabu is different
"..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
Cde Monomotapa
#12 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:30:41 PM
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GGK wrote:
For you to be classified as middle class in Kenya you need to spend between $2 and $20 a day (Kshs 180 to 1800. Put simply, once you start shopping in a super market in Kenya... you have ceased living from hand-to-mouth (kadogo econ) and you've entered the realms of Middle class.


45% of Kenyans are considered middle class though quite a number spend between $2 and $4 just hovering above poverty line and will get back there if an disastrous event occur like disease.

Mpango wa Kando is not restricted to middle class... even the poor have...but hesabu is different

Interesting.
Capri
#13 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:00:35 PM
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Middle class are those who have achieved the 1234 Kenyan Dream:

1 Wife / (Husband?)
2 Children
3 Bedroom House
4 Wheel Drive

smile

Funny enough found that we share some similarities with New Zealand...
Jamani
#14 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 3:40:53 PM
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dunkang wrote:


I think, a middle class kenyan should be one who earns between 40K - 200K kenyan money net.



Where would you classify Kenyans earning between 250K to 600K?
dunkang
#15 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 3:45:57 PM
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@Jamani, anyone earning above 200K is upper class, not elite!
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GGK
#16 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 4:42:36 PM
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The classification is on spending... not earning... but in a rational society the two are correlated.
"..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
dunkang
#17 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 5:17:13 PM
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@GGK, Thats very true. But i fail to understand, how would you classify a samburu or a pastrolist in general who owns 500 heads of goats and 100 cows!

If i may be asked, such a person is a silly elite Kenyan!
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Lolest!
#18 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 5:58:51 PM
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Capri wrote:
Middle class are those who have achieved the 1234 Kenyan Dream:

1 Wife / (Husband?)
2 Children
3 Bedroom House
4 Wheel Drive

smile


then am doing very badly! Sasa ninaomba serikali isaidie maskini kama mimi
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GGK
#19 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 6:54:03 PM
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dunkang wrote:
@GGK, Thats very true. But i fail to understand, how would you classify a samburu or a pastrolist in general who owns 500 heads of goats and 100 cows!

If i may be asked, such a person is a silly elite Kenyan!


I think in terms of wealth such a fella would be (middle class) depending on where his herd is valued at. A beef cow where I come from costs 20k and a goat @4k. The fella is worth 4m. assuming he does not owe any bank ... his net worth is enviable. But the guy does not spend anything so he is below poverty line.

Seriously ... your guy should sell part of his herd, sink a borehole, sell water or irrigate and live well. Why all those animals yet unaomba serikali ukuletee unga?
"..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
Jamani
#20 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 7:48:52 PM
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dunkang wrote:
@Jamani, anyone earning above 200K is upper class, not elite!


This is interesting,...... I dont want to think so....200K upper class?
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