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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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Akowally i somewhat agree with that statements
I find myself having to humble myself twice as hard when in company of some friends. It was all revealed when somebody called me 'elitist' IN MY FACE. it came as a shocker but it was the truth..i was coming out as imposing and all knowing.
Its complex than sitting in your living room and thinking it over.. you have to go to the informal settlements and hear the stories
then go back to the guys extremely rich and hear their story as well.
There is alot to be learnt than 'thinking and observing'.We tend to conjure up self righteous explanations so as to cope with our inadequacies.
you will either be an 'exploitive, greedy corrupt thief' or a 'lazy, idler preoccupied with copulating'
I also find it scary to even visit some areas(termed low class)...much as i try its a fear that has been growing
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2009 Posts: 2,863
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Wendz wrote:mwenza wrote:mozenrat wrote:Reminds me of that so-called nurse who stated that we had no right to feel indignant about the murder of the KQ pilot on Uhuru highway becoz, according to her, she tends to tens of dying patients daily from Kibera.
I just wondered whether she'd screwed her head on right that morning! Maybe she was brought up in Kibera. And???? That gave her a reason not to care about another life lost simply because it was brought up elsewhere? This weekend i saw a comment on my son's books... it said something like "we are happy when we pass our exams but we shouldn't boast to others"..... I think this is the spirit! Problem is when ones happiness is construed to mean "boasting"... hence, we do not give others a chance to celebrate their achievements however small, without making them feel guilty. @Wendz.............@akowally has said it all. When you are born and brought up in Kibera, you will find it hard to understand why other Kenyans don't seem to care what happens there on a daily basis. Yet the same people(the rich) appear to make so much noise when one of their own encounters a tragedy. That nurse must have been protesting something. Whether she was right or wrong of coz is not here nor there. IF YOU EXPECT ME TO POST ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ASENO, YOU MAY AS WELL SIT ON A PIN
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/24/2007 Posts: 1,805
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Class cannot be just about someones net worth! I think the problem emanates from the misconception that 'it is all about the money'. As noted earlier in this thread, if all we work for is money, then we are very narrow minded. Money can at best be a means to an end. The moment we consider it the end, then we start judging others based by it basically because that is how judge ourselves.There are alot of fronts we need to excel irrespective of our financial status.Everyone is ahead of us in some while we may be ahead in some way. How then can we judge class? I Think Therefore I Am
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Rank: User Joined: 8/6/2010 Posts: 594
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Djinn wrote:@Wendz - I think its more about attitude and ego. One can be in the highest of classes and still treat everyone else as human beings....in a post about the Juja and other by elections, I think it was SimonKabz who made a comparison between Kabogo and whathisname of CitiHoppa - that Kabogo will sit down with the people and have a beer....etc etc. In the same breadth, I have always admired poor people who are never ashamed of their stations in life and walk proud and stand tall. Having said that, I recall Maslow's hierarchy of needs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs) - think of all the people you know personally and those we hear about like politicians, etc...try and think where they belong in Maslow's Pyramid.... I personally find that even the most affluent people, as long as they have big egos and poor attitudes, can never self actualise (top of the pyramid) and remain very petty despite having met their basic needs. They are miserly bastards that look down upon the rest. On the other hand, you have people of modest means who are content with what they have and want no more than they need - it could be a teacher, a cleaner, a doctor, (a lawyer? no scratch that  ), etc but they have esteem and can self actualise in small but very impactful ways. Having said that, its true - sometimes the affluent look down upon the rest - and what is worse is when they themselves had humble beginnings. My two pesetas on a Friday... Shame on you Dijinn. You seem to be looking down and hating up on the rich. What have they denied you that is rightfully yours? YOu must be from Nyanza where if you are rich, the community despises you. You are no better than sureking'ang'i who despises the middle class. Wendz = Surelligator. She/he must be extremely smart. Never gets angry.  "One man gives freely, yet gains even more; another withholds unduly, but comes to poverty. A generous man will prosper; he who refreshes others will himself be refreshed." Rev Canon Karanja.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/5/2008 Posts: 390
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Insurgent wrote:Djinn wrote:@Wendz - I think its more about attitude and ego. One can be in the highest of classes and still treat everyone else as human beings....in a post about the Juja and other by elections, I think it was SimonKabz who made a comparison between Kabogo and whathisname of CitiHoppa - that Kabogo will sit down with the people and have a beer....etc etc. In the same breadth, I have always admired poor people who are never ashamed of their stations in life and walk proud and stand tall. Having said that, I recall Maslow's hierarchy of needs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs) - think of all the people you know personally and those we hear about like politicians, etc...try and think where they belong in Maslow's Pyramid.... I personally find that even the most affluent people, as long as they have big egos and poor attitudes, can never self actualise (top of the pyramid) and remain very petty despite having met their basic needs. They are miserly bastards that look down upon the rest. On the other hand, you have people of modest means who are content with what they have and want no more than they need - it could be a teacher, a cleaner, a doctor, (a lawyer? no scratch that ), etc but they have esteem and can self actualise in small but very impactful ways. Having said that, its true - sometimes the affluent look down upon the rest - and what is worse is when they themselves had humble beginnings. My two pesetas on a Friday... Shame on you Dijinn. You seem to be looking down and hating up on the rich. What have they denied you that is rightfully yours? YOu must be from Nyanza where if you are rich, the community despises you. You are no better than sureking'ang'i who despises the middle class. Wendz = Surelligator. She/he must be extremely smart. Never gets angry. You must b one f*****n s*****t of a b*****h
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Rank: User Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 709 Location: Velayat-e Faryab
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Insurgent wrote:Djinn wrote:@Wendz - I think its more about attitude and ego. One can be in the highest of classes and still treat everyone else as human beings....in a post about the Juja and other by elections, I think it was SimonKabz who made a comparison between Kabogo and whathisname of CitiHoppa - that Kabogo will sit down with the people and have a beer....etc etc. In the same breadth, I have always admired poor people who are never ashamed of their stations in life and walk proud and stand tall. Having said that, I recall Maslow's hierarchy of needs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs) - think of all the people you know personally and those we hear about like politicians, etc...try and think where they belong in Maslow's Pyramid.... I personally find that even the most affluent people, as long as they have big egos and poor attitudes, can never self actualise (top of the pyramid) and remain very petty despite having met their basic needs. They are miserly bastards that look down upon the rest. On the other hand, you have people of modest means who are content with what they have and want no more than they need - it could be a teacher, a cleaner, a doctor, (a lawyer? no scratch that ), etc but they have esteem and can self actualise in small but very impactful ways. Having said that, its true - sometimes the affluent look down upon the rest - and what is worse is when they themselves had humble beginnings. My two pesetas on a Friday... Shame on you Dijinn. You seem to be looking down and hating up on the rich. What have they denied you that is rightfully yours? YOu must be from Nyanza where if you are rich, the community despises you. You are no better than sureking'ang'i who despises the middle class. Wendz = Surelligator. She/he must be extremely smart. Never gets angry. @Insurgent You never talk like that to Djinn. He is a senior SK member and highly distinguished wazurian. He never rubbishes anyone nor does he pick a fight with anyone. So, don't quote him out of context for the sake of it. If you want trouble, try again. Never say you were never warned peacefully. If you have ears, take note. And am not Wendz. Wendz is a respectable lady of Wazua (Harudishiangwi vibaya) while am not one of the best in the region. Marenge wewe. Go overdrive in purchasing the goods when there's blood on the streets, expecially if the blood is your own
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/24/2007 Posts: 1,805
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Good People, Take it easy. This is a forum of exchange of ideas not personalities. When you comment, please discuss the idea not the person. Otherwise we trip and become no better than a political party. We have very brilliant brains here. Everyone deserves respect. Let us not resort to insults to anyone irrespective of his idea or opinion. He/She has every right to it. Take it easy guys I Think Therefore I Am
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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Insurgent wrote:
Wendz = Surelligator. She/he must be extremely smart. Never gets angry.
Waoh! Interesting observation.....  that would be one heck of a split personality...... and we would make a semenya.....
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Rank: User Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 709 Location: Velayat-e Faryab
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A man who is poor cannot think objectively and unemotionally about money. The desperation brought on by poverty will almost always cloud his judgement. That is why he needs a helping hand on how to make money and not handouts. Obama’s statement, quite bold considering that the US draws quite a bit of its power in the developing world from aid, was just another way of presenting the Chinese — or Biblical — wisdom that if you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day.Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. http://www.theeastafrica...6/-/6auwppz/-/index.htmlGo overdrive in purchasing the goods when there's blood on the streets, expecially if the blood is your own
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/13/2011 Posts: 151
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Great debate this was........ Common sense is the most evenly distributed quantity in the world. Everyone thinks he has enough.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/8/2009 Posts: 975 Location: Nairobi
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Silly me! i am reading through and wondering where i have been when all this discussion was happening. Umenipata hapo...  You will know that you have arrived when money and time are not mutually exclusive "events" in you life!
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 4/28/2011 Posts: 30
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true. anyway now that is has resurfaced, like has been said class is more than money. it's about attitudes and pedigree. Take Mike Sonko, he has money, but some things he does doesn't speak 'upper' class. Old money versus new money
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/28/2009 Posts: 353 Location: Cloud
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Good people, what do be a reasonable criteria to guide where i belong in the social strata? Isnt this class thing based on perceptions, upbringing, wivu, taabu, stereotyping etc ? "For i am the master and the captain of my fate"
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/26/2007 Posts: 118
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I have been brought up in a very wanting environment and I came to realise that the reason why we had so many problems was lack of proper planning on the part of my parents who were both working. Sometimes I would lack always yet my parents had taken loans to build our house. Now I live hand to mouth, I don't think much about owning a house but I make sure my kids live a very comfortable life and get a good education. I can call myself rich coz I have managed to look beyond my situation and I don't blame others for it. Most of the poor seem to have a feeling that the rich and middle class are unfair but really, anyone can do anything. The fact that I earn 15k in a company where others earn 500k doesn't make me desperate but I look forward to a better life. Every time I feel unappreciated I remember that I can at least buy O.B and I give my job my best. Mind you am now taking my masters degree. Give Away FREE Reports and Affiliate Tools.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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Gordon Gekko wrote:@wendz, wouldn't call it class divide, but age divide. For instance - I will bash qw any day just because I feel he/she is younger than me. I will defend you, @mukiha, @njunge just because I feel you are my age-mates - regardless of the topics or standpoints. From this mirror, I take this first opportunity to apologise to other members who I made condescending remarks to based on what I may have assumed were their fewer years. Secondly, I am a free agent and dont rely on cliques or some social stratum to give bearing to my perspectives. On my part, I will not hesitate to call out upuzi from any member, or person, when it becomes necessary. Dont blame me if you toss to me ammunition to fire at you with. By the way, if its any consolation, embarrassing the older & self righteous & maybe richer individuals is a most satisfying experience. I recommend people do it even once before they die. I will not spare you, sister Wendz, and other members, if i think you deserve some truth. But so far, I have nothing but great love for the way you conduct yourself.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/5/2008 Posts: 390
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'the middle class distinguish themselves from the class below them by their general willingness to rely on their own endeavours rather than those of the state' http://futurecapitalkeny...o-are-middle-class.html
http://thecitizen.co.tz/...al-investors-in-tanzania
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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[quote=Apple Bees]'the middle class distinguish themselves from the class below them by their general willingness to rely on their own endeavours rather than those of the state' http://futurecapitalkeny...o-are-middle-class.html
http://thecitizen.co.tz/...l-investors-in-tanzania[/quote] One @McReggae epitomizes this.  Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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[quote=Apple Bees]'the middle class distinguish themselves from the class below them by their general willingness to rely on their own endeavours rather than those of the state' http://futurecapitalkeny...o-are-middle-class.html
http://thecitizen.co.tz/...l-investors-in-tanzania[/quote] One @McReggae epitomizes this. Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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