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USA ON THE VERGE OF DEBT DEFAULT...*#@*&!!!!
Cde Monomotapa
#21 Posted : Tuesday, July 12, 2011 11:55:03 AM
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The Republicans are the bulk owners of American capital & enterprise. They know these taxes are coming after their interests as main-street is taxed enough already.
Mainat
#22 Posted : Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:01:24 PM
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Unlikely to default, although imho it'd actually help ze US economy in the long-term.
Ob's megaphone diplomacy has not worked as well as he had hoped but there is a plan B.
Sehemu ndio nyumba
Kaigangio
#23 Posted : Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:46:14 PM
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Mainat wrote:
Unlikely to default, although imho it'd actually help ze US economy in the long-term.
Ob's megaphone diplomacy has not worked as well as he had hoped but there is a plan B.


what i think is that the us government won't be able to cut near enough spending. And it'll be difficult to raise taxes as well.

don't forget also that as has happened elsewhere, government control of the quantity of money has always proved fatal.

The easiest way out for the government would therefore be to let its currency crash along with its economy...sending intense shockwaves to the rest of economies globally.

what could this plan b be?
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
hisah
#24 Posted : Tuesday, July 12, 2011 4:19:17 PM
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Kaigangio wrote:
Mainat wrote:
Unlikely to default, although imho it'd actually help ze US economy in the long-term.
Ob's megaphone diplomacy has not worked as well as he had hoped but there is a plan B.


what i think is that the us government won't be able to cut near enough spending. And it'll be difficult to raise taxes as well.

don't forget also that as has happened elsewhere, government control of the quantity of money has always proved fatal.

The easiest way out for the government would therefore be to let its currency crash along with its economy...sending intense shockwaves to the rest of economies globally.

what could this plan b be?


Iraqi dinars smile Revaluation would make the Fed trillions... Follow the money in wars...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
accelriskconsult
#25 Posted : Tuesday, July 12, 2011 4:24:53 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
The Republicans are the bulk owners of American capital & enterprise. They know these taxes are coming after their interests as main-street is taxed enough already.



That is debatable. Republicans these days almost equals WASP - White AngloSaxon Protestant - with majority in the middle class.

The democrats have every hue of human skin colours that is known to man but very importantly can also boast of the poorest (read African americans and latinos) and the richest (Jewish and Irish immigrants).

I am not sure that taxes are the issue here rather that America is much more radicalised and on the cusp of another civil-rights-moment shift like in the mid sixties.

America managed to outsource not only jobs but also saving habits to China and the rest of Asia while also training the best Chinese and Indian minds to go back and develop their countries. I suppose that is just payback for a country built on the back of slave labour and the barrel of a gun. It is just a matter of time before it breaks up into smaller states in the same way that the Soviet and all other empires did.
Mainat
#26 Posted : Tuesday, July 12, 2011 5:03:26 PM
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Kagizzard-There are various, but the one mentioned is the huge wad of cash Federal Govt pays a for Security& Medicare every month.
Sehemu ndio nyumba
Kaigangio
#27 Posted : Tuesday, July 12, 2011 5:39:02 PM
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Mainat wrote:
Kagizzard-There are various, but the one mentioned is the huge wad of cash Federal Govt pays a for Security& Medicare every month.


this might not help much considering that a large amount of it has been paid by the members (citizenry) through mandatory deductions...

...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
Drunkard
#28 Posted : Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:48:05 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:

...the only escape route for us is to start a world war!!

I have a buddy who believes the same. I myself very sure that in the event of a WW3 America will have little to no allies. It would be like our post-election where a convinient excuse was availed to vent-out pent up vendettas.


I don't know where you two get your analysis, but the facts first Japan economy is pegged to US economy in a way that if US economy collaps today, Japan economy will collaps too, secondly Chinease economy is heavy dependant on US economy, remember US market is the largest Chinease destination, forget about all other country, Chinease export is largely dependant on US market. Moreover, Chinease economy is what can be refered to as bicycle economy, it has to keep growing so that it doesn't collaps, remember as much as Chinease is experiencing double digit growth, it is also fighting a double digit inflation. If US collaps today, and Chinease economy lose US market and a number of large US companies providing employment in China, there will be a massive unemployement in China and possibly, protest and uprise against the Chinease ruling elites and don't think the ruling elites don't know this, they know it very well.

Lastly, US economy is still twice the size of Chinease Economy with only 350 million people.
hisah
#29 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:16:39 AM
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hisah wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
hisah wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Look @ how Moody's is so soft on the U.S govt. & banks Laughing out loudly talk about don't bite the hand that feeds u.


Since those US rating agencies have messed with the Ching's euro buyout expect Dagong to rate the US debt as junk anytime from now...

Dagong started here --> http://www.bloomberg.com...easing-xinhua-says.html


NICE!! A dose of their own medicine! I believe the sooner they accept their problems and embark on fundamental solutions the better for us all. Bite the bullet, slip off the charts in favor of BRIC and re-emerge 20years from today instead of postoning yet spawning the problems further.

The political correct word for central planners is not postponing, but extend and pretend aka kicking the can down the street...


@Cde - Enter the dragon, crouching tiger vs fist of the monkey... Dagong follows up US debt downgrade... Now where's my popcorn smile

http://www.chinadaily.co...13/content_12889286.htm
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Cde Monomotapa
#30 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:31:57 AM
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hisah wrote:
hisah wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
hisah wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Look @ how Moody's is so soft on the U.S govt. & banks Laughing out loudly talk about don't bite the hand that feeds u.


Since those US rating agencies have messed with the Ching's euro buyout expect Dagong to rate the US debt as junk anytime from now...

Dagong started here --> http://www.bloomberg.com...easing-xinhua-says.html


NICE!! A dose of their own medicine! I believe the sooner they accept their problems and embark on fundamental solutions the better for us all. Bite the bullet, slip off the charts in favor of BRIC and re-emerge 20years from today instead of postoning yet spawning the problems further.

The political correct word for central planners is not postponing, but extend and pretend aka kicking the can down the street...


@Cde - Enter the dragon, crouching tiger vs fist of the monkey... Dagong follows up US debt downgrade... Now where's my popcorn smile

http://www.chinadaily.co...13/content_12889286.htm

BEAUTIFUL!! 1st U get the money, the power, then the respect! I am thoroughly enjoying this too. Thanks for the link man!
mwanahisa
#31 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:18:20 AM
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The tide is certainly turning. Uncle Sam is steadily losing the top perch especially in terms of how the rest of the world perceives them.

Listened to one analyst quipping about how Greece's debt per capita is below that of the U.S.A. Is that really true?
hisah
#32 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:03:10 AM
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mwanahisa wrote:
The tide is certainly turning. Uncle Sam is steadily losing the top perch especially in terms of how the rest of the world perceives them.

Listened to one analyst quipping about how Greece's debt per capita is below that of the U.S.A. Is that really true?

When it comes to the US, no comment... This shell died a long time ago... Zombie mode on...

Have a look at what is going on with Minnesota state shutdown now entering day 13 - longest shutdown of the any state...

http://www.kimt.com/cont...-AN83EmA8W2RDihzBQ.cspx

$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
2012
#33 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:27:48 AM
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The US is not going to default and if they do it would not be by default. We all know that Republicans are trying to dangle the carrot at the poor black president but they'll come to their senses. As I'd said earlier If they do default it would be to hurt China who is the biggest creditor by country to the US with over $1trillion. Don't underestimate the US, they set the standards under which we all operate when it comes to economics.

That said, I was watching Piers Morgan jana and he had an interesting guest who eluded to say China is slowly becoming the new US with their kids studying all over the world and topping their classes. While Americans spend a big part of their budget on their military, .5m soldiers deployed out of the US, the Chinese are only spending on research and new technology and weaponry.

A chinese leader was interviewed and he said "rather than kill you, I'd rather have you as my friends so I can make products you need and sell to you, that way we're all happy". Now isn't that simple logic? What do you have in your house that's made in America? And what do you have in your house that's not made in China?

BBI will solve it
:)
jasonhill
#34 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:30:13 AM
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hisah wrote:
mwanahisa wrote:
The tide is certainly turning. Uncle Sam is steadily losing the top perch especially in terms of how the rest of the world perceives them.

Listened to one analyst quipping about how Greece's debt per capita is below that of the U.S.A. Is that really true?

When it comes to the US, no comment... This shell died a long time ago... Zombie mode on...

Have a look at what is going on with Minnesota state shutdown now entering day 13 - longest shutdown of the any state...

http://www.kimt.com/cont...-AN83EmA8W2RDihzBQ.cspx



Speaking of zombie mode:

http://english.aljazeera.../20117313948379987.html

And I only post that link not to derail this thread, but because under the "opinion" section, there are a number of interesting articles on this subject.

Best,

Hill
Kirika
#35 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:35:22 AM
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China and US are joined at the hip. A default would mean China's rapid ascent will be jeopardized.

Currently, China is the biggest holder of US debt instruments followed by Japan.

That's why China is jittery about US devaluing the dollar!

But i wonder what a US default would portend for Africa?
Cde Monomotapa
#36 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:38:27 AM
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hisah wrote:
mwanahisa wrote:
The tide is certainly turning. Uncle Sam is steadily losing the top perch especially in terms of how the rest of the world perceives them.

Listened to one analyst quipping about how Greece's debt per capita is below that of the U.S.A. Is that really true?

When it comes to the US, no comment... This shell died a long time ago... Zombie mode on...

Have a look at what is going on with Minnesota state shutdown now entering day 13 - longest shutdown of the any state...

http://www.kimt.com/cont...-AN83EmA8W2RDihzBQ.cspx


Dudes! Niku-gwan!
Drunkard
#37 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:47:49 PM
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...According to 14th Amendment, section 4 of the US constitution, it is unconstitutional for US government to default on it's debt obligation. How amazing is the US constitution keep it up to whoever wrote it.
jasonhill
#38 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:46:40 PM
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Drunkard wrote:
...According to 14th Amendment, section 4 of the US constitution, it is unconstitutional for US government to default on it's debt obligation. How amazing is the US constitution keep it up to whoever wrote it.


Besides the fact that most Americans couldn't tell you TWO amendments, that document has been long shredded. I think GW Bush used the last scrap of it to roll up some bhang.

Best,

Hill
hisah
#39 Posted : Friday, July 15, 2011 4:56:22 AM
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jasonhill wrote:
Drunkard wrote:
...According to 14th Amendment, section 4 of the US constitution, it is unconstitutional for US government to default on it's debt obligation. How amazing is the US constitution keep it up to whoever wrote it.


Besides the fact that most Americans couldn't tell you TWO amendments, that document has been long shredded. I think GW Bush used the last scrap of it to roll up some bhang.

Best,

Hill

If indeed they have any constitution, that private Fed bank shouldn't be existing in the first place and with any mandate to print dollars. This is why Andrew Jackson shut it down for the 2nd time in 1800s. This is why I'm no supporter of any political or monetary structure. Too much power given to these institutions that it is hard not tempt individuals to abet covert schemes. Power corrupts, too much power corrupts even more.
If you look at the performance of IMF or World bank since the 70s to date how helpful have they been to 3rd world nations? 3rd world nations have deliberate weak political structures mostly inherited from their colonial masters, meant for exploitation by the same masters who also happen to benefit the most from the so called bretton woods institutions. What a joke?

Anyway it's to the citizens of every nation to wake up and smell the coffee of the exploitative system. And indeed the people thr world over are beginning to heed the wake up call. I'm most facinated by MENA stirring for this will make the arabs live with jews like brothers & sisters. When this happens the puppet arab leaders addicted to the oil hegemony will be no more. And what will that do to the dollar and the military industrial complex smile
In this decade so much will change, but few can see it.
We're past the tipping point, tables have turned.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Cde Monomotapa
#40 Posted : Friday, July 15, 2011 5:19:57 AM
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hisah wrote:

If indeed they have any constitution, that private Fed bank shouldn't be existing in the first place and with any mandate to print dollars. This is why Andrew Jackson shut it down for the 2nd time in 1800s. This is why I'm no supporter of any political or monetary structure. Too much power given to these institutions that it is hard not tempt individuals to abet covert schemes. Power corrupts, too much power corrupts even more.
If you look at the performance of IMF or World bank since the 70s to date how helpful have they been to 3rd world nations? 3rd world nations have deliberate weak political structures mostly inherited from their colonial masters, meant for exploitation by the same masters who also happen to benefit the most from the so called bretton woods institutions. What a joke?

Anyway it's to the citizens of every nation to wake up and smell the coffee of the exploitative system. And indeed the people thr world over are beginning to heed the wake up call. I'm most facinated by MENA stirring for this will make the arabs live with jews like brothers & sisters. When this happens the puppet arab leaders addicted to the oil hegemony will be no more. And what will that do to the dollar and the military industrial complex smile
In this decade so much will change, but few can see it.
We're past the tipping point, tables have turned.
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I salute you! Spoken like a true neo-revolutionary! I have to commend you a fellow Comrade in this current struggle for ideological and economic freedom!! All protocols observed, U are officially @Cde Hisah in our camp! Afrika oye!!
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