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The inconvinient tuth about the church
Ric dees
#1 Posted : Monday, May 18, 2009 10:53:00 AM
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The Church..religious organisation or modern day cult.??..there are a lot of question marks..whats your take.?

Heart is what separates the good from the great - Micheal Jordan.

The greatest danger in times of turbulence is not the turbulence; it is to act with yesterday's logic.
Lyanne
#2 Posted : Monday, May 18, 2009 10:58:00 AM
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Heard Maina Kageni in the morning and i was speechless. Ati 'roho mtaka kitu ' but all in all,the men of clothe are made of flesh and blood and no harm intended remember Jesse Jackson and his scandal ?

I noticed at NPC Karen they have mounted some wooden blocks at the front rows,and i presumed that they are meant to block male pastors from peeping !


The Hedonist
Ric dees
#3 Posted : Monday, May 18, 2009 11:08:00 AM
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@ Lyanne

I may not be in a position to comment about Claasic and NPC Karen but am now almost convinced that the Church has been associated with very shadowy organisations in the past including the mafia and contradicts all that we know about them and what they practise...who really is the Church.?? what is their role in the world..!!


Heart is what separates the good from the great - Micheal Jordan.

The greatest danger in times of turbulence is not the turbulence; it is to act with yesterday's logic.
Lyanne
#4 Posted : Monday, May 18, 2009 11:12:00 AM
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@ Ric Dees

Have you read a book by the name ' In God's Name',it will shock the living daylights out of you,if at all its true. Its sobering.

The Da Vinci Code offers a glimpse of a dark side of the church,and its quite appaling.


The Hedonist
Bareta
#5 Posted : Monday, May 18, 2009 11:31:00 AM
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I won't go to NPC Karen.


Chief
Ric dees
#6 Posted : Monday, May 18, 2009 11:57:00 AM
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@ Lyanne

Have not read the book,but have read Holy Blood Holy Grail and most of Dan Browns work..Just saw Angels and Demons over the weekend,though the plot was a bit week BUT there were a lot of fundamental issues that i would like addressed...

FYI

Secret societies linked to the Church in some way:

The Bavarian Illuminati..which means the 'enlightened ones' originated in Southern Germany in the late 18th century and drew contoversy course they were so covert and powerful..founded by a chap calle Adam Weishaupt..they are the ones that helped orchestrate the French revolution and encouraged Karl Marx in writing the communist manifesto.

Knights Templar..they came to an end in 1300s when King Phillip IV of France seized their assets,arrested them and had some of them burnt..they are believed to be the guarders of the alternative Bible.. -one which was highlighted in the Da Vinci Code.

Mafia..Originated in Sicily..rake upto £8b an year..absolute secrecy has been key to their success..may people don't know this they actually fixed the election of JFK and their American arm works closely with the CIA

The Bilderberg Group..meet annually always at some remote luxury hotel in a different part of the world..mainly comprised of politicians,industry chiefs and money men..

Skull and Bones..manly comprised of Scholars of Yale University..not much is known about them but comprises of who's who in US..ex members include George W and John Kerry..points to something more..time will tell.

The Bohemian Club..all past American presidents for the past 100 years have been members of this group..meet annually in Carlifonia in Monte Rio..extremely secretive mostly comprised of Influential types..

Sovereign Military order of Malta...1000 year old charitable organisation.mainly serves as hotline between the CIA and the Catholic church.






Heart is what separates the good from the great - Micheal Jordan.

The greatest danger in times of turbulence is not the turbulence; it is to act with yesterday's logic.
kishtash
#7 Posted : Monday, May 18, 2009 12:10:00 PM
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Some pastor friend of mine once told me: 'sex is concentration. You cannot have it satisfy you if you don't concentrate. The way a Christian sister concentrates while worshipping....the same way they concentrate while satisfying a man sexually. When we,pastors,having known this truth sees the sisters really inside the worship,while our eyes are preying all over...we get tempted to imagine them naked and concentrate the same way..'
That's is what I guess makes them go astray.

BTW that guy is already suspended from church ministry

tash
the sage
#8 Posted : Monday, May 18, 2009 12:26:00 PM
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That is the beauty of faith. You can believe anything.

Let me give you two quotes:

The liberation of the human mind has never been furthered by such learned dunderheads; it has been furthered by gay fellows who heaved dead cats into sanctuaries and then went roistering down the highways of the world,proving to all men that doubt,after all,was safe—that the god in the sanctuary was finite in his power,and hence a fraud. One horse-laugh is worth ten thousand syllogisms. It is not only more effective; it is also vastly more intelligent.

Henry Louis Mencken (1880-1956)
U. S. Editor and Critic.

'Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis,when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all,then accept it and live up to it.'
Buddha (Hindu Prince Gautama Siddharta,the founder of Buddhism,563-483 B.C.)
Ngalaka
#9 Posted : Monday, May 18, 2009 1:00:00 PM
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@Ric Dees

You should have done the honest thing first.
Declare your faith,i.e Islam.
Am I wrong?

Christianity may have some dark chapters in its history,but then,that is water under the bridge.
True,Some 'Pastors' today misbehave but tha's their own shauri as it can never be on behalf of the church.
Classic FM can dare chastise the church at will,and risk no physical harm.
Can any Media house be bold enough to say anything about Islam that the Muslim might consider inappropriate. Woe unto them
It would be fatwa,Jihad the next minute.
Kudos Christians for your humility and tolerance.
I look forward to the day the same can be said of Islam and its followers.

Things arent always the way they look like
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
Ric dees
#10 Posted : Monday, May 18, 2009 1:27:00 PM
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@ Ngalaka

You are wrong..i am a practising Catholic but this is a topic few dare to discuss and my aim was to share views/ideas and obviosuly learn from the rest.


Heart is what separates the good from the great - Micheal Jordan.

The greatest danger in times of turbulence is not the turbulence; it is to act with yesterday's logic.
Ngalaka
#11 Posted : Monday, May 18, 2009 1:41:00 PM
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@Ric dees,
Apologies are due to you,and profusely so.
I hasten to add that i have immense respect for the Catholic churh.
Less frothing in the mouth and more practical in helping the society at large indiscriminately,as they preach the word.
Moderates they are.
Hats off.

BTW
They have taken over Maruge's case as seemingly he's been abandoned.
Where are all the Muirus,Wanjirus ecetera.

Things arent always the way they look like
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
eli
#12 Posted : Monday, May 18, 2009 2:02:00 PM
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say what you may,post what you want...........The aim of every born again believer is this: That he may live his life,handle his salvation with 'fear and trembling' and be able to 'Share in the glory with Jesus,the Son of the living God'.

Don't do what they do,do what they say....................One thing though,alot of things have gone wrong and be reminded that .............................'Only those who persevere to the end will be saved'.

Also remember..............'Not all who call me Lord,Lord will enter the kingdom of God'

But you shall remember the LORD your God,for it is He who is giving you power to make wealth,that He may confirm His covenant which He swore to your fathers,as it is this day. Deu 8:18
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