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BRITAK IPO: The Money Maker
maka
#121 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 9:35:33 AM
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A quick one will the new 650 million shares on offer bring the total shares to around 1.13 billion shares when adding the existing ones (480 million)...and wont this cause massive dilution and bring down the book value and eps.
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Borsenmakler
#122 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 9:54:06 AM
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maka wrote:
A quick one will the new 650 million shares on offer bring the total shares to around 1.13 billion shares when adding the existing ones (480 million)...and wont this cause massive dilution and bring down the book value and eps.

correction, current issued shares are 420 million. After the offer the total will be 1070 million shares. About the dilution effect, thats not our problem furthermore the stake they are selling to us is 30%.
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maka
#123 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:12:16 AM
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Borsenmakler wrote:
maka wrote:
A quick one will the new 650 million shares on offer bring the total shares to around 1.13 billion shares when adding the existing ones (480 million)...and wont this cause massive dilution and bring down the book value and eps.

correction, current issued shares are 420 million. After the offer the total will be 1070 million shares. About the dilution effect, thats not our problem furthermore the stake they are selling to us is 30%.


It should be a problem will definitely affect upward movement of the stock...
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the deal
#124 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:24:08 AM
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Their 11% stake in Equity Bank, Makes up 26% of their assets now this is subject to alot of market risk I.e 1H 2011 the Equity share is down by over 10%...do the math and you will see how much the balance sheet has taken a knock aulready....also their insurance arm has been posting underwriting losses year in and out leaving them at the mercy of the stock market for income...in 2010 90% of their profits of Sh 2.7 bln came from the NSE...the Asset managememt firm only contributed Sh 230 Mln...Of all the insurance firms I have looked at this is the least diversified and one thing for sure their profits will swing year in year out depending how the NSE performs....my 2 cents...check my blog for details...
mwanahisa
#125 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:27:11 AM
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Borsenmakler wrote:
correction, current issued shares are 420 million. After the offer the total will be 1070 million shares. About the dilution effect, thats not our problem furthermore the stake they are selling to us is 30%.


Borsenmakler, you are also wrong. As per the British American Investments Company 2010 Annual Report, issued shares were actually 30 million. Pre- IPO these shares have been increased to 1.5 Billion implying a split of 50 to 1. In the IPO, 650 million new shares will then be issued bringing the total number of shares to 2.15 B.

Kindly note that it is NOT British American Insurance Co. (which has 480 million shares in issue) that is being listed.
the deal
#126 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:32:11 AM
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@Mwanahisa thanks for the correction....i will update my blog accordingly...uhmm there is nothing cheap then
guru267
#127 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:42:39 AM
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mwanahisa wrote:
Borsenmakler wrote:
correction, current issued shares are 420 million. After the offer the total will be 1070 million shares. About the dilution effect, thats not our problem furthermore the stake they are selling to us is 30%.


Borsenmakler, you are also wrong. As per the British American Investments Company 2010 Annual Report, issued shares were actually 30 million. Pre- IPO these shares have been increased to 1.5 Billion implying a split of 50 to 1. In the IPO, 650 million new shares will then be issued bringing the total number of shares to 2.15 B.

Kindly note that it is NOT British American Insurance Co. (which has 480 million shares in issue) that is being listed.



So issued shares will be 2.15billion after the IPO not 1.07
... That changes alot..
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selah
#128 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:49:38 AM
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mwanahisa wrote:
Borsenmakler wrote:
correction, current issued shares are 420 million. After the offer the total will be 1070 million shares. About the dilution effect, thats not our problem furthermore the stake they are selling to us is 30%.


Borsenmakler, you are also wrong. As per the British American Investments Company 2010 Annual Report, issued shares were actually 30 million. Pre- IPO these shares have been increased to 1.5 Billion implying a split of 50 to 1. In the IPO, 650 million new shares will then be issued bringing the total number of shares to 2.15 B.

Kindly note that it is NOT British American Insurance Co. (which has 480 million shares in issue) that is being listed.


Thanks man for this, so its the investment arm floating the shares....centum and olympia capital will be its peers huh?
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selah
#129 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:52:59 AM
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And now I cant access their site is anybody experiencing the same problem?
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mwanahisa
#130 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:55:46 AM
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the deal wrote:
@Mwanahisa thanks for the correction....i will update my blog accordingly...uhmm there is nothing cheap then


So noted. BTW, you have done some very good work on this company. I am generally in agreement with your sentiments on the company given the variable nature of the company's profits over the year with its over reliance on investment income (and especially on Fair Value Gains on Financial Assets through Profit & Loss which is the worst of the lot in terms of its unreliability).
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