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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,818 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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bkismat wrote:Kudos Mukiha. Most of the replies above are no different from what the UoN students do. I think a number of you may have passed through the institution and a lot of what happens is purely due to mob psychology. dont you worry, as you know the opposite of superiority complex is inferiority complex!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2007 Posts: 215
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Not all of the UON students are bad. Imagine if the whole population was to be in the streets. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/27/2008 Posts: 3,760
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dunkang wrote:I think u r been too hard on UoN students.
Other than they feeling more important than the others, please HELP them get attachments. Its very important for them to graduate. This brothers and sisters misbehave because of MOB Psychology. Once they graduate, they are on their own!
(UoN have a superiority complex though). If you were hiring, and it boiled down to two candidates evenly matched, one from UoN and the other Strath/Baraton/Catholic/MKU, who would you pick?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Gordon Gekko wrote:dunkang wrote:I think u r been too hard on UoN students.
Other than they feeling more important than the others, please HELP them get attachments. Its very important for them to graduate. This brothers and sisters misbehave because of MOB Psychology. Once they graduate, they are on their own!
(UoN have a superiority complex though). If you were hiring, and it boiled down to two candidates evenly matched, one from UoN and the other Strath/Baraton/Catholic/MKU, who would you pick? Who do you think? Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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Gordon Gekko wrote:dunkang wrote:I think u r been too hard on UoN students.
Other than they feeling more important than the others, please HELP them get attachments. Its very important for them to graduate. This brothers and sisters misbehave because of MOB Psychology. Once they graduate, they are on their own!
(UoN have a superiority complex though). If you were hiring, and it boiled down to two candidates evenly matched, one from UoN and the other Strath/Baraton/Catholic/MKU, who would you pick? I'd look at my current establishment and check to see if there is a relationship between university attended and performance. It would be very unfair to assume that because 200 UoN students are stone-throwing idiots, the remaining 49,800 are also stone throwing idiots. Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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....and BTW, I am not a UoN graduate Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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mukiha wrote:Gordon Gekko wrote:dunkang wrote:I think u r been too hard on UoN students.
Other than they feeling more important than the others, please HELP them get attachments. Its very important for them to graduate. This brothers and sisters misbehave because of MOB Psychology. Once they graduate, they are on their own!
(UoN have a superiority complex though). If you were hiring, and it boiled down to two candidates evenly matched, one from UoN and the other Strath/Baraton/Catholic/MKU, who would you pick? I'd look at my current establishment and check to see if there is a relationship between university attended and performance. It would be very unfair to assume that because 200 UoN students are stone-throwing idiots, the remaining 49,800 are also stone throwing idiots. Talk to HR...you'll be amazed how much harder working and more respectful non-UON recruits are. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/26/2010 Posts: 125
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Merely rejecting a student from UON because he/she is from UON is a bit shocking.
Situations are very different. Students from public universities like UON come from diverse backgrounds unlike those from private universities. Furthermore , the selection process is very different. Having attended a private & a public university , I think it is only fair to recruit on individual competencies.
Because , I have friends from Strathmore , who I doubt if they can work under pressure. The type who are brought to school by a driver ,dub assignments & can't do a proper research paper. Well , this is not the type of a character who will ever throw stones.
Likewise , I have friends in UON , doin Engineering , who will not hesitate to throw stones. But they are very good upstairs and they have great ideas. Bright minds I tell u.
Am just trying to illustrate that discrimination based on university attended is a dangerous line of thought.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/5/2007 Posts: 627
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As much as I don't agree with generelisation, I understand where KulaRaha is coming from. It is a form of risk aversion on his part.
I think the biggest problem we have is the disconnect between the curriculum and business needs. I use interns as much as I can coz I find them a cheap resource and when I see one with potential I always bring them in when there is a vacancy.
What universities need to do (and I understand Strathmore is doing it now) is to have SLA's with the large employers (e.g. KQ, manufacturing industries, government) where the employers indicate what kind of skills they want their personnel to have. Then the universities can model their courses to equip their students with these skills. I'm sure even the stone throwers can find employment that requires their kind of expertise!
@joan: If you don't want to do KYMs then you better stop looking for work. Majority of people here will tell you that they started with KYMs. No employer is going to trust an intern to do important work that is crucial to the success of the company. I did filing 8 months before I got to do anything worth of note. The 8 months included doing cash book reconciliations with a pencil and a 7-column! And I don't regret it one bit!
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/22/2011 Posts: 193 Location: nairobi
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It's a pity reading the replies posted above from the Wazua "veterans".
Kudos to the very few value adding responses.
Joan, getting internships is hard so is getting a job. Just keep on applying and you will get one.
As for the routine jobs, that’s the norm for most entry level positions; we even joke @ work that a class eight graduate can do most of the jobs at the entry level position.
Come to think of it, how many people do what they trained at the university? Additional training/professional qualification is usually required for the more involving tasks.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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...and dont hire a wazuan too, they like phombe, surfing, drooling over tv personalities and landing
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/2/2007 Posts: 536
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Hmm interesting conversation.
I know a few fellows who were on internships straight from high school...
My 2 bob - generalizations don't help too much when it comes to assessing individual competencies. A good HR process should not discriminate based on university/college attended. That said, even in the west, some companies prefer to hire students from specific universities. Internship is useful to companies though, as a few have said, in identifying potential employees.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,818 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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very true wazuans, generalization is very wrong. Where i work, we have graduates 4No. JKUAT, 11No. UoN, 3No. Moi, 4No. Eger and 1No. MMUST(WECO), and, honestly, i believe our HR cannot have a criteria of comparing productivity and College attended. (Unfortunately for Engineering, private universities are not involved). Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/25/2007 Posts: 1,574
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Querry wrote:As for the routine jobs, that’s the norm for most entry level positions; we even joke @ work that a class eight graduate can do most of the jobs at the entry level position.
Come to think of it, how many people do what they trained at the university? Additional training/professional qualification is usually required for the more involving tasks.
Not in the medical field...  A medical intern will be expected to perform routines and jobs that even senior consultants find difficult to do. And, on top of the training in University, he/she should be reading the latest editions of medical books in the various disciplines, and should be abreast with journals and the latest research in the medical field. Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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jguru wrote:Not in the medical field... A medical intern will be expected to perform routines and jobs that even senior consultants find difficult to do. And, on top of the training in University, he/she should be reading the latest editions of medical books in the various disciplines, and should be abreast with journals and the latest research in the medical field. It's called CPE - continuous professional education - and it is a requirement in all professions - law, medic, eng, acc etc Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,452
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mukiha wrote:....and BTW, I am not a UoN graduate Good. There is a technical question I always to ask someone who might be knowledgeable to answer it. Here we go. If you throw a two hundred grams projectile at a car 10 metres away traveling at a speed of 80km/h towards you how long will it take before the car is hit and at what angle assuming the angle of flight is 42 degrees and the force is 200 newtons. Your answer should take cognizance of the fact that the motorist will most probably slow down and/or swerve on seeing the projectile and the projectile is of an irregular shape!  @mukiha - Just messing with you. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Anyways, lets see how much support UON students get at 9 pm today, after the monkeys hit the streets... Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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KulaRaha wrote:Anyways, lets see how much support UON students get at 9 pm today, after the monkeys hit the streets... Do you have any idea of the ratio of the stone throwers to the total UoN student population???? ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/6/2008 Posts: 632
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So we have seen different replies in regards as to why majority of the companies do not hire interns!! Fair enough on a different tangent, why dont these companies acknowledge receipt for applications received for advertised vacancies or issue regret notices if individuals do not meet the minimum criteria or better still after having attended an interview and one did not sail through don't you think it would be prudent to offer the short listed candidates some review on how they performed their strongest points and where they faltered!! I think this would go a long way in preparing would be employees better on the rigours of the job market. Just a thought!!
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