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Grammar Vs Grammer; Njung'e is this you.
bkismat
#1 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 10:36:43 AM
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A rant about the current poor state of grammar.
http://www.frankierants....6/grammer-is-important/

Guka 3 days ago
During my schooling days, the teachers exhorted us to read the dailies in order to improve our English. (Spelling, grammar, syntax etc) . Today, I doubt that the same can be said.
With people drawing salaries as copy editors and sub editors I always wonder why editing is left to MS Word spell checker(You will find words like leave instead of live). While I can always excuse the Standard for any mistake (they are just a rag anyway) am worried that Nation newspaper is also falling in the same mess.
Pray, how many mistakes can you find in say Time or Newsweek? Can't Kenyan writers do the same. But how can they measure up when they got a C in KCSE , joined some university for a shady degree and used connections to secure the job.
The mistakes we see in the papers today will be carried over to medical practices, engineering and all other spheres of life. It is unfortunate that as society we have chosen to reward wealth, and sex instead of merit
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Njung'e
#2 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 10:48:39 AM
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Nope....but Frankie is "light" in this "error"
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bkismat
#3 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 11:10:02 AM
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yep Frankie is right. At time i fil laik ringing the necks of the editas.
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
Njung'e
#4 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 11:12:08 AM
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bkismat wrote:
yep Frankie is right. At time i fil laik ringing the necks of the editas.


Stand.So that you can be collected.
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nostoppingthis
#5 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 11:31:52 AM
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Sent vs Send...@guka, hiyo paka umeweka kwa signature iko na maana gani?
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#6 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 11:44:55 AM
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#7 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 12:12:28 PM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
Sent vs Send...@guka, hiyo paka umeweka kwa signature iko na maana gani?


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mukiha
#8 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 1:26:51 PM
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We had this discussion before and it turned out that those who have poor grammar argue that "it doesn't matter as long as you understand what I mean". Others in this camp maintain that English of a foreigner's language and we shouldn't bother so much about using it correctly.

On the other side of the fence we have the argument that if you are going to use a language, then strive to use it right and if you are "collected" anywhere along the way, take it is your stride and improve your mastery.

I fall on the other side of the fence...
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anasazi
#9 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 1:45:28 PM
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Bud english really suddens me. These are the kind of stuff that I dislike.

@mukiha, I too stand with you. And I don't mind being collected.
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nostoppingthis
#10 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 2:21:06 PM
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@mukiha and @anasazi, as we all stand corrected,the use of "I can be able to..." by Kenyans....very wrong English....just say "I can....."
milken
#11 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 2:26:16 PM
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The gist of the rant above was bad English in Kenyan newspapers written in the English language. Unlike the man on the street, the writers (reporters) are supposed to have impeccable command of the language and incase they are deficient, their bosses the editors are supposed to fill the void. It is inexcusable for an English language newspaper to have English spelling mistakes.
Itari muting'oe ihuragwo ngi ni Ngai
mukiha
#12 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 2:27:25 PM
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There is a new addition to Kenglish: "I have ever...". This is used when answering a question beginning with "Have you ever...?". I have heard it used by primary school kids, so in the next 10 or so years, it will be officially acceptable. You just wait for it.
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Wa_ithaka
#13 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 2:36:02 PM
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mukiha wrote:
We had this discussion before and it turned out that those who have poor grammar argue that "it doesn't matter as long as you understand what I mean". Others in this camp maintain that English of a foreigner's language and we shouldn't bother so much about using it correctly.

On the other side of the fence we have the argument that if you are going to use a language, then strive to use it right and if you are "collected" anywhere along the way, take it is your stride and improve your mastery.

I fall on the other side of the fence...

Ironically, the paragraph makes no sense in English. ABK
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#14 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 4:34:35 PM
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Others in this camp maintain that English of a foreigner's language and we shouldn't bother so much about using it correctly.
Shame on you
FundamentAli
#15 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 5:16:12 PM
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I hate when I receive those calls from customer service guys and they ask "Is that Mr.Peter?". Am not Mr. Peter for Christ sake! They never get a positive reception with this manner of addressing me.

Use of caps has been forgotten. If I appears in the middle of a sentence it appear as i. I do not get it!

Unfortunately, kids today cannot speak any language properly, its neither English nor Kiswahili and neither their mother tongue. I cannot judge whether they speak proper sheng and I do not know whether sheng is a language.
mukiha
#16 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:13:16 AM
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Wa_ithaka wrote:
mukiha wrote:
We had this discussion before and it turned out that those who have poor grammar argue that "it doesn't matter as long as you understand what I mean". Others in this camp maintain that English of a foreigner's language and we shouldn't bother so much about using it correctly.

On the other side of the fence we have the argument that if you are going to use a language, then strive to use it right and if you are "collected" anywhere along the way, take it is your stride and improve your mastery.

I fall on the other side of the fence...

Ironically, the paragraph makes no sense in English. ABK


Which one? Please "collect" me.
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