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Infrustructure Bond Investor Vs KCB Share Investor
ecstacy
#1 Posted : Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:35:00 PM
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Two investors in the NSE at this bear period take the following investment actions: -

(a) Bond-Investor
He/She bought into an over-subscribed 'risk free' infrustructure bond and was expecting 6.25 % risk free return on the first semi-annual payment based on a 12.50% p.a payable semi-annually on the outstanding principal amount.

This presents a 6.25% semi-annual return - assume a June payment. Decides to retain his investment here for another 18 months.

(b) KCB-Investor
Bought KCB shares at the beginning of this week at Ksh. 15.35/= looking for the dividend payout of Ksh. 1/= per share on the payment date 29-May-2009.

This presents a guaranteed 6.38% return,at the same bond semi-annual date,inclusive of a maximum 2.1% buy transaction cost. Also decides to retain his investment here for another 18 months.

Your thoughts
What do you think are the prospects of these two investors at the close of June and after the subsequent 18 months?
VituVingiSana
#2 Posted : Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:26:00 PM
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KCB look fine now but be insolvent in 6 months (look at Citibank or HBOS or Northern Rock).

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KulaRaha
#3 Posted : Friday, March 13, 2009 5:23:00 AM
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KCB never bought credit default swaps....so dont compare to HBOS etc

I would rather put my money into KCB


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jammo
#4 Posted : Friday, March 13, 2009 5:49:00 AM
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@vitu... Are you in kenya? You are seriously comparing kcb's financials to citi or HB...whatever..?? Amazing.

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#5 Posted : Friday, March 13, 2009 6:05:00 AM
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Your argument relies on selling KCB xd at the buying price. Will this be the case? I rather think not,I suspect it will be higher.
Njunge
#6 Posted : Friday, March 13, 2009 6:11:00 AM
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On the outside,the bond will give you 12.5%......Guaranteed.....On the inside and outside,KCB will give you infinite possibilities............The riskier,the better......KCB.

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jammo
#7 Posted : Friday, March 13, 2009 6:22:00 AM
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Assumin longterm investin? Minimum holdin 1year? Otherwise u could trade on trends of both bond n kcb share.

The race is not always to the swift..nor the battle always to the strong..nor food always to the wise..nor riches always to the intelligent..favor is not always to the skilled..or learned..but time and chance happens to all. Ecl9:5..
eli
#8 Posted : Friday, March 13, 2009 6:48:00 AM
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KCB

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ecstacy
#9 Posted : Friday, March 13, 2009 6:55:00 AM
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The case presented at the 6 month drawline only offers the guranteed. The bond has a guaranteed semi-annual payment whilst KCB has a guaranteed dividend payment..the 18 month window period is to allow for the subsequent possibilities..
Mainat
#10 Posted : Saturday, March 14, 2009 5:47:00 AM
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Its all risk appetite,but I'd take KCB anytime. And yes as vv says,KCB could be down and out in 6 months. Its called a liquidity crisis-all it'd take is a bigger player than Deyani to commit fraud and run-off to Outer Hebrides. Or KCB could go to Ksh30 in the next 18months.

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