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Wanjy
#1 Posted : Thursday, June 16, 2011 10:42:33 AM
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Please shed some lights on factors to be considered before and during construction of a 3 bedroom residential house; I am in a desperate condition. Thanx
keke2
#2 Posted : Thursday, June 16, 2011 10:56:50 AM
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Involve atleast 1 Professional!
Theu
#3 Posted : Thursday, June 16, 2011 1:35:45 PM
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assemble a team with the RIGHT people. Enquire from friends/relatives and neighbours who have done an impressive construction. Have interest and passion in the process. its involving and you must be ready to learn so that you make the right decisions. all the best.
kiriita
#4 Posted : Thursday, June 16, 2011 1:49:45 PM
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Pull up a thread titled Question for A4Architect or sth like that and go through it. Then request Admin to kill this one.
Abby
#5 Posted : Thursday, June 16, 2011 2:31:22 PM
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Wanjy wrote:
Please shed some lights on factors to be considered before and during construction of a 3 bedroom residential house; I am in a desperate condition. Thanx


You may burn money if you are in desparate condition (to build, if I get you right).

Take it slow and follow what people may recommend.

You need properly qualified fundis. Anyone can say they can do construction ...... the best.
GGK
#6 Posted : Thursday, June 16, 2011 5:44:33 PM
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If I get Wanjy right, you want factors to be considered.

This is not easy on the face of it because you've left out so many details. E.g do you already have a site in mind? Some plots sizes can only fit a 3 bedroom house if its a maisonette.

But the best starting point is with an architect. Peruse many architectural designs in the web and form an idea in the mind of what you would want, the discuss with an architect.

Other issues...budget, security etc see this link http://ujenzibora.com/nahinga/?p=433
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Wanjy
#7 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:30:01 PM
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My house plan was approved, I will go thru' the link link http://ujenzibora.com/nahinga/?p=433
GGK
#8 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:06:45 PM
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@Wanjy you are way ahead of your game. With approval of local authority, you just chinja a mbuzi for ground breaking
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youcan'tstopusnow
#9 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:55:10 PM
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GGK wrote:
@Wanjy you are way ahead of your game. With approval of local authority, you just chinja a mbuzi for ground breaking

Yep! Just like Eveready recently did...
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Wanjy
#10 Posted : Wednesday, June 22, 2011 11:56:25 AM
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Enlighten me more pliz, would hate to do wrong
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:00:54 PM
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kiriita wrote:
Pull up a thread titled Question for A4Architect or sth like that and go through it. Then request Admin to kill this one.

Correct, there is plenty of info and advice on construction in this thread especially from our very great Pablo.
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willin2learn
#12 Posted : Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:15:51 PM
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Do not discount the input of professionals. It costs but may save you a lot of future headache. Professionals please. hata kama ni green house
Pablo
#13 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 11:33:32 AM
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Thanks @shalishali

Ive read thro the site that wanjy has put on the link. Its not bad but only if you're building times towers or similar structures. For you your friend is the structural engineer.

Remember that before u put up your house you need to know what you want. Get a draftsman to put it in blue print incl the building code specs (cost 30-50k instead of a fancy arch who will charge you 400k for a nice house). Get your engineer to go thro it and if ok, most engineers will assist you get it approved and supervise construction.

Remember a structural engineer can do an architects work but an architect may not be able to do the engineers work.

Anyway this is the thread the posts above are talking about.

http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...aspx?g=posts&t=6075
bkismat
#14 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 12:01:59 PM
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That ujenzi bora blog is not serious.How can you have a design team without a civil/structural engineer.After the architect this is the most needed professional in the team.
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keke2
#15 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2011 12:46:30 PM
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Wanjy wrote:
Enlighten me more pliz, would hate to do wrong


You seems Faint heart'd alreadyBrick wall ,you need all the strength to do your construction;ok lets go step at a time.

1.Your drawings are approved-that means the site location is ok with authority.
2.When drawings were done I believe your input was follow on exactly what you want and can afford,all I am asking, do you have a Bills of quantities(BOQ) based on the approved plans?
3.Based on BOQ;-ready with colour?
-Time?
-source of materials?
-Labour?
-Supervision?
4.Clear the site,call me for goat eatingLaughing out loudlyLaughing out loudly as we start Trench Excavation.smile
fantony
#16 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:06:02 PM
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i know some architects do very disappointing design design jobs.. mostly because both the client and the architect have low standards

the client just wants a house done as badly as his neighbours..

the architect just wants to make his money and move on

i disagree with pablo about doing a design with a draftsman... both of you send me your addresses to projects (at) noahmgt (dot) com...

i will show you some sample impressions that need not cost an arm and a leg.. and the prices..

wanjys key need i hope is value.. affordability can be accommodated on the priority list..

in 3 br house.. an engineer is baggage... it can be done by your village fundi

what i would want to offer is in this house.. ask your consultant not for a bill of quantities but for a 'schedule of materials'

ask him to seperate the material for each section e.g.

foundation (stones, cement, sand e.t.c )
ground floor slab

if then i was wanjy i would get 3 or 4 enterprising kenyans and ask them to bid to deliver the said materials to the site...

the bid should for the entire house so that you a have a single point of contact for all purchases..

for the supervision, pray
GGK
#17 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:31:09 PM
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Wanjy has an approved plan... which means an engineer was involved to do the structural design.

Equipped with the drawings, is raring to go.

Go for a labour based contract where you provide all the materials and the foreman (senior fundi) provides labour. It works well if you can schedule the work when you or someone close to you is available, otherwise you'll be fleeced dry.

Phase your project... (is it a bungalow or a Maisonette?)
Foundation => Walling => Roofing =>Metals(Windows & External doors)=> etc

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Pablo
#18 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2011 9:20:58 PM
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@fantony
I decided to do finalze the design work after headaches of trying to explain to an arch who was charging me an are and a leg and did not have the time for me.

Anyway architectural plans are a dime a dozen on the net.
Not to disrespect the good work that architects do but surely for a residential couse. I really dont know if it is that necessary. If I was building an apartment building They would be my first port of call.

In the house I grew up in, the plan I remember quite well was drawn at the back of a cement bag and the house is still a reference point for me even today.
fantony
#19 Posted : Friday, July 01, 2011 12:24:52 PM
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i am a project manager... the project manager was introduced into construction to reduce on the madness in the industry..

there are several gaps that need covering that keep me busy.. because i neither design nor do the actual construction myself...

these gaps are:

1. value - i appreciate delayed gratification.. however does it make sense to sink 400,000 every year for 3 years to complete a house... i'd rather invest the money elsewhere till i raise the 1.2 M required. then build the house continuously... most people don't grasp.. 'the opportunity cost of funds..'

the other option is get a construction loan from the bank and build the house as fast as possible, move in with your family then pay the bank back the money gradually over time instead of paying rent..

what good are designs if when completed and paid for are shelved (till when money is ready)... the cost of the designs will be money locked up.. even worse.. it can't be cashed..

2. procurement - of funds for construction, designs, bids, labour... not matter what you think... give the devil its due.. we can pussy-foot around the labour contract or direct procurement but at the end of the day... when i or any other experienced builder go to a hardware... the prices i get at the beginning of haggling are what you will get after 2 hours of haggling.. essentially say if a bag of cement is 700.. right of the bat i will given a starting price of 650 since i will be buying several bags for several sites (economies of scale). i will haggle with khimji to 625.. in 1 minute.. you on the other hand will go to bamburi @ 800/- for v-power cement/pasta plus... by the time you are finishing your house you will probably paying 700 having gone through what we call a learning curve in construction..

there are many other reasons

@ pablo -i know what you are talking about regarding a non comittal archtiect (talk to me, i have access to the tap from which they flow). I asked for your email to see the design i procured for my client recently.. this is for an amazing KSh. 50,000... when you go online.. you will need to purchase the working drawings from the website.. for the same house i will procure him the schedule of materials, services drawings and structural drawings for the other 50,000... i am also learned in engineering units so i will review the design for practicability prior to delivering the designs to my client..

Again @pablo- i rarely see any house design that meets my design criteria especially on one key area... SECURITY.. how do you secure your daughter from middle of the night attackers...as you haggle with the police over fuel for their jalopy??

so those plans of your parents house no doubt were good.. but even for me... i never knew what a good house was until i saw it... and this was after more than 10 years in the construction industry.. i too thought my parents house was good, until then...

my dad borrowed designs from his friend.. his friend was a librarian at UoN

@ GGK - phasing a house is good.. its affordable... easy on the pocket... i will also mention that my parents house got its ceiling about 20 years after it was constructed..

the plumbing and sewer line have just been completed... on the other hand it is far from the city... all this while they used an out door pit latrine.. is that practical for Kiambu...? even in syokimau i visited a family the other day that told me zebras still roam their neighbourhood..

GGK
#20 Posted : Friday, July 01, 2011 1:50:12 PM
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@Pablo, As for involving the architect, I thought it is mandatory. If not, then the fella I paid 50k to do my drawings is in trouble.

The designs in the websites will just help you to get an idea of what you want. This will help when you discuss with an architect.

@fantony send me the design you are talking about. My Email address is kamundu.dry(a)gmail(dot)com

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