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Uhuru Kenyatta the Man to Beat Come 2012
Burning Spear
#31 Posted : Monday, June 13, 2011 3:38:03 PM
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McReggae wrote:
Burning Spear wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
@njugush, clarity of expression noted, well done. But I beg to differ. Ruto's game remains clouded in mystery. The Hague cloud hangs low over Kenya. Economic hurdles continue to be blamed on the son of Jomo, with a poor dvt record in Gatundu i.e. wavering support in the homeground. Over the wkd, I saw a pig n 2 ex-pigs defect to OTM (Linturi, Maoka, Mbugua). Kenneth is coming soon, with a bang......Tough ride I say.

well done @Simonkabz for responding to @njugunajohn thread with an informed answer.
Personally, I do not really understand why wazuans are bashing this dude @njugunajohn probably because he has come up with a topic likely to be viewed tribal but I also challenge all here, if it was about Raila ie "Raila is the man to beat come 2012",wud they have reponded the same.
Hypocrites are all over!!!!!

Any speech against Raila is hate speech, tribal and uninformed.

Any speech against all other candidates is okay and well thought.



....was waiting, somehow that name had to come up otherwise the thread would be incomplete.....Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause

I don't shy away for supporting what I think is less evil.
You and I will on certain occasions differ on some opinions but this is only temporary and we remain friends .
Supporting what I believe in is my Democratic right.
"You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it". Malcolm X
McReggae
#32 Posted : Monday, June 13, 2011 3:41:58 PM
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Burning Spear wrote:
I don't shy away for supporting what I think is less evil.
You and I will on certain occasions differ on some opinions but this is only temporary and we remain friends .
Supporting what I believe in is my Democratic right.


......sawa sawa brother brother, hapana iko shida......it's only that just like the other people who did not respond to the topic at hand, you committed the same crime in your response above!!!!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
mukiha
#33 Posted : Monday, June 13, 2011 3:52:32 PM
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O.K. @njugunajohn:

The last few opinion polls portray a different picture. From here http://www.nation.co.ke/...-/vsvwasz/-/index.html, we read that "The poll which was conducted between March 27 and April 1 shows that 20 per cent of Kenyans would vote for Odinga-Mudavadi, eight per cent for the Uhuru-Kalonzo combination and six per cent for Uhuru-Ruto."

Now 20% Vs 6% is quite a huge margin. But what I find more interesting is the fact that Uhuru would score better if he partnered with Kalonzo. Perhaps the assumption that Ruto has a big following in RV is invalid.
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
njugunajohn
#34 Posted : Monday, June 13, 2011 3:57:58 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
@njugush, clarity of expression noted, well done. But I beg to differ. Ruto's game remains clouded in mystery. The Hague cloud hangs low over Kenya. Economic hurdles continue to be blamed on the son of Jomo, with a poor dvt record in Gatundu i.e. wavering support in the homeground. Over the wkd, I saw a pig n 2 ex-pigs defect to OTM (Linturi, Maoka, Mbugua). Kenneth is coming soon, with a bang......Tough ride I say.


Finally someone who makes sense. Someone with an argument that I can objectively respond to.
I dispute your claims about Gatundu wholeheartedly for I know something that you don't.
Let me find my evidence against this Gatundu claim and I will present it momentarily.
About Linturi, Maoka, Mbugua and Kenneth. What can I say. I see the point you are trying to raise but in my view those four characters are political dead weights.
Kenneth will grace the next parliament and this only if he runs for the Presidency as he has stated before.
If he doesn't run for the Presidency and doesn't support whoever will be running with the Kikuyu vote he is dead in the water.
He will become another Tuju.
The other three don't even need us to waste our time discussing them.
These guys will do that which will ensure they land back in parliament. It doesn't matter in which party they will end up. All that matters to them is that they return to parliament.
Their paltry dozen votes could never make a difference in an election. How many constituents can these three people even wield.
It is too meager to necessitate a discussion from civil individuals such as the two of us.
Mbugua actually risks loosing his seat if he were to go against the Kikuyu grain.
Those inclined to point to the son of Jomo as the mastermind of the economic hurdles that the country faces are actually misinformed.
I cite the 'Economic report on Africa 2011' by the United Nations Economic Commission for Africa as my point of reference.
The document on page 32 outlines what it calls the 'four crises' as Kenyas Economic hurdles. These are post-election violence,
food, energy and drought.
Contrary to popular belief the Commission actually says that Kenya overcame these and that the country is actually doing better than in 2008.
How then can we blame the son of Jomo for these four hurdles.
PEV was caused by those who called for 'mass action'. People will argue this but facts are facts.
The Energy crisis is part of Bush's legacy whereas food and drought are intertwined and definitely not Uhuru's doing.
I'm sure you were pulling at straws when you said this one: wavering support in the homeground
The equation is simple:
If Uhuru runs for Presidency the Kikuyu will back him unwaveringly. Kenya has not changed overnight and tribal lines will be followed to the letter during elections.
Martha and Kenneth have no chance whatsoever if Uhuru runs.
If he doesn't run then I admit, he will get no votes. it' as simple as night and day.
If Raila runs almost all (an overwhelmingly large number) of Luo votes will be his. I don't need to further this point.
Ruto's game is as clear as day. The ,media have tried to throw controversy on this one but Ruto has spent the last almost 10 days calling the media outright liars.
It has been on TV everyday over the last (almost) 10 days and unless you disagree I won't bother putting links to videos showing this from all over the web.
I will get you the facts concerning the Gatundu development record momentarily.
If I just state what I know, for I have actually been there, you will just disagree so let me get you a link to a CDF report and we will see what you will say about that.
njugunajohn
#35 Posted : Monday, June 13, 2011 4:00:52 PM
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Burning Spear wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
@njugush, clarity of expression noted, well done. But I beg to differ. Ruto's game remains clouded in mystery. The Hague cloud hangs low over Kenya. Economic hurdles continue to be blamed on the son of Jomo, with a poor dvt record in Gatundu i.e. wavering support in the homeground. Over the wkd, I saw a pig n 2 ex-pigs defect to OTM (Linturi, Maoka, Mbugua). Kenneth is coming soon, with a bang......Tough ride I say.

well done @Simonkabz for responding to @njugunajohn thread with an informed answer.
Personally, I do not really understand why wazuans are bashing this dude @njugunajohn probably because he has come up with a topic likely to be viewed tribal but I also challenge all here, if it was about Raila ie "Raila is the man to beat come 2012",wud they have reponded the same.
Hypocrites are all over!!!!!

Any speech against Raila is hate speech, tribal and uninformed.

Any speech against all other candidates is okay and well thought.


You were right the day you were born.
Now also contribute to this conversation and stop relying on simonkabz views.
Post your own.
But thanks for realizing that it is becoming increasingly difficult to differentiate between the Wazua spirit and the ODM spirit.
mukiha
#36 Posted : Monday, June 13, 2011 4:15:09 PM
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And from http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/qmqt4mz/-/index.html

"...findings released by Synovate, a research firm, indicates the PM is still the most preferred presidential candidate with 38 per cent of Kenyans saying they would vote for him if elections were held today.

Mr Odinga’s rating stood at 48 per cent in October.

The PM is followed by Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta at 18 per cent, Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka (13 per cent) and William Ruto (eight per cent).

Others are Gichugu MP Martha Karua (six per cent) and Saboti MP Eugene Wamalwa (three per cent). Deputy PM Musalia Mudavadi, National Assembly Speaker Kenneth Marende and Gatanga MP Peter Kenneth garnered one per cent each."

Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
njugunajohn
#37 Posted : Monday, June 13, 2011 4:27:41 PM
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Here is the information Ii had earlier promised:
http://www.cdf.go.ke/pro...ct_status_2009_2010.htm
For all developments Uhuru has done in Gatundu since 2003 follow this link:
http://www.cdf.go.ke/ind...mp;id=660&Itemid=43

Now that I have tabled my evidence let me tell you what I have seen and heard with my own eyes.
The people in Gatundu South try to outdo each other singing praise for son of Jomo.
You have to realize that unlike the other politicians he is loaded and has no need to steal the few coins called 'CDF money'.
Since he is also a presidential candidate he knows well that development in his constituency will be used to justify claims by his political deterrents and knowing this he has put in extra effort to make sure that all they say cannot be substantiated.
The development in Gatundu is very extensive.
He actually bought motor bikes i.e. 'boda bodas' for the unemployed, sourced for jobs based abroad for youths in the constituency and he actually goes to the constituency every week. Fact not fiction.
That is how high the stakes for the Presidency are.
If he is doing it just for the Presidency doesn't matter, all that matters is that he is doing this.
I have done my research and know all my facts.

By the way page 32 is in Chapter 2 of the Economic report. Since I forgot the link here it is:
http://www.uneca.org/eca...books/era2011/index.htm
njugunajohn
#38 Posted : Monday, June 13, 2011 4:33:09 PM
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mukiha wrote:
And from http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/qmqt4mz/-/index.html

"...findings released by Synovate, a research firm, indicates the PM is still the most preferred presidential candidate with 38 per cent of Kenyans saying they would vote for him if elections were held today.

Mr Odinga’s rating stood at 48 per cent in October.

The PM is followed by Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta at 18 per cent, Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka (13 per cent) and William Ruto (eight per cent).

Others are Gichugu MP Martha Karua (six per cent) and Saboti MP Eugene Wamalwa (three per cent). Deputy PM Musalia Mudavadi, National Assembly Speaker Kenneth Marende and Gatanga MP Peter Kenneth garnered one per cent each."


You need to learn how to present good arguments.
I will use your own post against you.
Raila has 38%, well and good.
Calculate what the three members of G7 have.
Simple mathematics:
18+13+8=39% not counting the other 4 members.
That is what is called a landslide victory.
By the way that is not my argument but an argument wielded by KTN's reporter Lulu Hassan when the polls came out.
yekeyeke
#39 Posted : Monday, June 13, 2011 4:46:22 PM
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IF Uhuru runs for president in 2012, then the game is over for RAO.
ROA should be afraid= Very afraid.

The 2009 census figures give the ethnic composition as follows (out of a total population of 38.6 million): Kikuyu 17%, Luhya 14%, Kalenjin 13%, Luo 10%, Kamba 10%, Kisii 6%, Mijikenda 5%, Meru 4%, Turkana 2.5%, Maasai 2.1%. About 9% of population consist of smaller indigenous group below 1% each, and Non-African groups (Arabs, Indians and Europeans) are estimated to total to about 1%.[4]

The G7 will filed candidates are follows in 2012.

-Nyanza =Omingo Magara
-Western=Wamalwa Kijana
-Rift Valley=William Ruto
-Central=Uhuru Kenyatta
-Eastern = Kalonzo Musyoka
-N.Eastern = Aden Duale
-Coast = Balala.

This will mean that RAO will not be among the top two who will proceed to the 2nd round, as he will get not more than 10% of the vote.

Things are elephant kweli.





2012
#40 Posted : Monday, June 13, 2011 4:56:30 PM
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I like Uhuru but I honestly think kyuks should seat out this elections as goodwill and back a forward thinking candidate from another ethnic. I'm not being tribal but realistic, I'm kyuk too and I know it's possible after all we didi it with the EA community, Kenya decided to back down and back the Rwandan candidate and we're all happy, ama?

BBI will solve it
:)
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