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jammo
#1 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2009 6:39:00 AM
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Business daily has finally worn out my patience!
Any ideas what it costs to roll out a financial/investment newspaper?
If i was to roll out an investments..strictly stocks/equity markets daily..what do i need to do..what will it cost...anyone with stats? Will appreciate...
All i hav from paying 50bob a day since the bdaily launched is 72kg of newspaper..which am selling off at 25bob a kg! Time someone launched something more comprehensive,informative and actually educate investors! Am amazed that with over one year of the paper,investor ignorance is still so great!..check into SK archives for topics discussed in jan-march 08..compare to now n u'll find we are asking same questions!..except maybe the the global crisis which to many investors is greek!! Dunn!!
Bdaily has become a financial equivalent of that standard newspaper pulse thing! ..more on exiting people than equippin investors!!..at very high cost!
What do i need to do to launch a daily?

The race is not always to the swift..nor the battle always to the strong..nor food always to the wise..nor riches always to the intelligent..favor is not always to the skilled..or learned..but time and chance happens to all. Ecl9:5..
mukiha
#2 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:29:00 AM
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@Jammo; did you know that nearly all the editors of Business Daily were poached from the Standard? No wonder!

If this thing was not enjoying support from a tall uncle (NMG),it would have closed after two months!

First point: don't think of a daily business publication; go weekly or monthly. If weekly,don't sell on Monday (blues!),Tuesday (Smart co. & Fin Std),Thursday (Money),Friday (members day!),or the week-end (tricky logistics - people stay at home). That leaves only Wednesday....

Second point: get started with three editors-cum-staff writers,paid by piece-work (i.e.,for articles written and published). Allow about sh400 to sh500 per hundred words. If you allow 1,000 words per page,a 20-page paper will cost sh90k in writing/editorial fees.
Third point: don't go buying your own press! Use existing printers. People and Times have decent presses and will charge you at most 20-bob per newspaper (all the 20 pages). A print run of,say 5,000 copies will cost you sh100,000.

Fourth point: get a sh1m insurance bond (you will need some property to secure it) for registration purposes.

Finally: 200 - 300 sq ft of office space and you are ready to go...

All in all; sh3m should be enough to get started and get moving without any hick-ups. Of course you will start with about 500k,but make sure you have a reserve tank with 3m... readers don't like to miss their 'favorite' copy - a lesson that (some)People and (some)Times are yet to learn!

PS: Don't chase advertiser at the beginning. Establish some foothold in readership - a clearly-defined category of regular readers who would do anything to buy your paper...then the advertisers will start chasing you and you can call the shorts.
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
eli
#3 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:38:00 AM
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Congrats on your idea Jammo!

I was still working at Nation when they launched Business Daily at Hilton Hotel. We were treated to nice breakfast.

Its abit expe! Nairobi Star for a long time( I dont know whether they still do) print their newspaper at NMG and its costly!

Secondly,having the distribution channels to send the paper to the ground! NMG distribution channel is immense! They have almost 100 vehicles with drivers to deliver the newspaper to all sections of Kenya on a DAILY basis.

The manpower(editors) in business daily is big! I remember these guys wrote a dummy newspaper for close to 2months! Going to the field daily! Collecting news daily! Writing news daily! and the dem thing never geting published>>>>>>>>>>All in the name of TESTING!

I might not have the exact figures required,but let me contact my former buddies at NMG to get rough estimates. One thing for sure,its an investment and a half! Again,NMG has created a name. They are a household name! They have got the brand name! You as Jammo is a brand name here in SK only! Not in the whole country,so wrestling NMG would be a rough. Well,its the content that counts,and I guess you've got content upstairs,enough content to leave NMG editors in awe! I have been with them(NMG staff for 3 years) and I can attest to the fact that jammo is way ahead in stocks knowledge!

A billionaire in waiting!
mukiha
#4 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:01:00 AM
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@Eli;

Don't discourage Jammo...you don't have to set up an operation the size of NMG all at once! You don't need all those overpaid under-worked editors who cannot write a proper English sentence,let alone make sense of finance and investment!

I have worked with (not for!!) NMG and other smaller publications and I can tell you there is too much wastage at the giant. Afterall,big brother will bail them out.

Secondly,you don't have to sell outside Nairobi. Two-thirds of the Daily Nation (150,000 copies) is sold withinh a 50km ranius of Nation Centre. BD sells less than 1,000 copies outside CBD Nairobi!!!

Small business have to think smart,not big...imagine if you sold your weekly newspaper only at the major bus termini within the CBD (Muthurua,KBS Station,Railways,Globe,Old Nation etc). You would need about 15 vendors only to sell over 20,000 copies (assuming the content is good)

Those tests and retests can be a waste of time and money....read about the 'New Coke' fiasco of 1986 and see how Coca Cola wasted hundreds of millions of dollars on tests and re-tests,only to return to the old formula in a matter of weeks.

@Jammo,put sh3m (max) on the side and you are ready to get started in less than a month.
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
jammo
#5 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:07:00 AM
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@mukiha&eli..... THANK YOU!!!.. u guys r God sent.. Anyway..i'm not thinking competing against established guys..am thinkin providin somethin that despite their size n muscle they'v proven they can't do!!... So issue about competition for market is not a concern....n motive is not money..basically what happens on sk...informin that dude who's at the broker's office right now wonderin what to buy. Its more in scope of investor education...n one stop shop for all information stock exchange.. Bein in print media info what equity is to the banking indust....not competin with anyone..just providin what no one is..i do realise i may not compete but they definately will!
The publishin/printin part is what i didn't kno..and costs n stuff.. Thanx. Anything i should watch out for? If its as straight forward as you guys portray..then a roll out can be done next week!

The race is not always to the swift..nor the battle always to the strong..nor food always to the wise..nor riches always to the intelligent..favor is not always to the skilled..or learned..but time and chance happens to all. Ecl9:5..
mukiha
#6 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:36:00 AM
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@jammo; you are onto something big here. I even have a name for you publication: The Independent Investment Adviser.

Distributed mainly by subscription to Stockbrokers and agents. Also available with street vendors....

Print-run - 5,000 copies tops. Small,but targets a clearly defined market segment.

Target for advertising: stockbrokers and agents.

etc

etc

etc

If you do your number carefully,you can give it out for free and still make money from ads...
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
megatron
#7 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:01:00 AM
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jammo....why dont you start a website?
jammo
#8 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:24:00 AM
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Any legal process?..licensing..registration bla bla bla? @megatron..... No. Internet penetration is an impediment Plus we hav more than enough websites on stocks..issue is reachin all those investors who appear at AGMs and broker offices who's only source of info is the neighbour who made a killin in kengen!

The race is not always to the swift..nor the battle always to the strong..nor food always to the wise..nor riches always to the intelligent..favor is not always to the skilled..or learned..but time and chance happens to all. Ecl9:5..
mukiha
#9 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:40:00 AM
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Yes. You need to be registered with Registrar of Books & Newspapers,located at AG's Chambers. That's where you will deposit the Sh1 million insurance bond....of course I know you understand that this does not mean you give them a million bob!
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
Msasani
#10 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:44:00 AM
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@jammo - To break news you do it on SK in minutes,instant on radio,hours for TV,next day for newspaper. How about making your publicaation e-based?

Its cheaper,faster,unhindered and best of all you get to know your readers better if its distributed via registration 1st. My two pence

Good Ideas are like buses,behold another one comes
maasai
#11 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:58:00 AM
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I gree with Msasani...considering local content will be the next big thing after the cost of internet becomes cheaper...am sure your site will attract huge traffic...or you can use both online and publication...

A penny SAVED is a penny wasted if not INVESTED.
tonicasert
#12 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:19:00 AM
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Thats a good plan you have Jammo.

Just a note: Most of the stuff you (and other good contributors) post here is sort of like 'hot news' which are usually romours known by afew in the market,and I must say its helpful here as we get to know stuff before they hit the market (read print media). Would your newspaper / magazine contain such content,coz am thinking of some quarters coming up with legal actions,you know,in the name of suing for insider trading/knowledge stuff.
tony stark
#13 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:21:00 AM
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I also agree with msasani. Starting online will be a great idea and has several advantages
1)Build a loyal following that can later help to propel the print once you are ready to launch.
2) See whether your content appeals to local market.
3) When you start online feedback is much faster and better and you reader might actually be more in the know and there feedback will be useful when you go to the masses.
4) Can make a few cents using google adsense which can be useful when you start up!

Great idea. I hope it comes to fruition.
PS: your knowledge in stocks etc etc might be great but i don't find reading you post that easy. You will therefore need and editor to make your writing better!! Your idea is not a one man show even if it is online!

SK A.L.U.M.N.I (Alcoholic Liason and Undergarments Manager of Nakedness Internationally)
jammo
#14 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:35:00 AM
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Thanx all. @tonistark... hadn't seen it that way... @tonicasert..only insider info i got would b about me n my galfriend!! LoL! Anyway..that's not a concern.

The race is not always to the swift..nor the battle always to the strong..nor food always to the wise..nor riches always to the intelligent..favor is not always to the skilled..or learned..but time and chance happens to all. Ecl9:5..
eli
#15 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:02:00 PM
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@ jammo
I wouldn't mind contributing to your magazine!

A billionaire in waiting!
mchuuzi
#16 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:30:00 PM
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@mukiha

i liked your articles in the standard if ur other name is waweru could you kindly share on setting up a magazine on a shoe string budget . what are the publishing companies around i would like to start with 1000 copies with a bit of colur


jnn
stocksmaster
#17 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:17:00 PM
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Interesting insight from Muhika.
A monthly issue would be more prudent in the beginning.Once the client base is hooked,increase frequency to bi-monthly then weekly.I doubt there is enough quality business content to support a daily publication without repetition.

Happy hunting

Stocksmaster-For well researched market analysis
Wakanyugi
#18 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:05:00 PM
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Jammo,

Assuming the product is good,you could make quite a killing with a Diaspora plan. This could be a part of your online distribution strategy - the capital costs are fairly low. I know the DN experience selling newspapers online has been disappointing. But like others have said,think smart not big. Talk to me when you are ready.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
mukiha
#19 Posted : Friday, January 16, 2009 7:10:00 AM
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@mchuuzi - it wasn't me!!!!

My name is not Waweru.

I have never written anything for the Standard
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
mchuuzi
#20 Posted : Friday, January 16, 2009 7:49:00 AM
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okay my bad there was a writer by the name gakiha or mukiha waweru who used to write for the standard all the same could you propose where to print the magazines and cost involved

jnn
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