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Cde Monomotapa
#1781 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 9:51:12 AM
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I am saying KK will buy refined fuels cheaper from UG (cheaper shipping, insurance, No KPRL, no pirates, ullage charges) do u see where i am coming from. I do not need KK drilling any wells please.
erifloss
#1782 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 12:23:02 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
I am saying KK will buy refined fuels cheaper from UG (cheaper shipping, insurance, No KPRL, no pirates, ullage charges) do u see where i am coming from. I do not need KK drilling any wells please.

So will the other OMCs. Remember KK is not running a regional monopoly & remember that shell with the Helios money & shell(Holland's) capabilities will be at a greater advantage as they've got West African experience (Niger delta) and know how to play ball in Africa & i mean as a wholesome oil company & not only as an OMC. Next steps in Total, with their French money & expertise they'll want the best piece of the piece. Chevron is planning a comeback through UG and remember they are not only an OMC but a wholesome oil company. Nobody is actually telling me how kk has strategically positioned itself to gain from UG.
Actually from my perspective the biggest loser might be kk coz:
1. With the wars kk is having with the govt it will be hard for them to be in good books with M7 as he wants to be in good books with the Kenyan govt coz of the EA presidency.
2. Being able to play around with their stocks at high seas by taking them to other EA countries for profitability purposes will be hard as the other OMCs in those countries will have the opportunity as them of accessing cheaper oil from UG.
Now can someone tell me what concessions, contracts, deals or whatever they have in place to be the best placed OMC.
'They say money cannot buy me happiness but when i compare when i had none and now, i'm happier' Kevin O'leary
VituVingiSana
#1783 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 12:52:26 PM
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@erifloss - Simple. KK is the best managed firm!

The rest is just noise. By the time the REFINERY in Uganda is ready... Besigye might be president unless m7 'buys' another term.

The best case for a refinery to be running is 2014 but a small one just for Uganda's needs.

Kibaki will be gone by 2013 so will (I hope) kiraitu. Also after 2012, the ministers will (hopefully) be vetted & professionals not the current corrupt bunch.

KK is growing regionally. And what I have seen them do, they will continue doing so for the next 5 years.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
The Merchant
#1784 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 4:28:16 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@erifloss - Simple. KK is the best managed firm!

The rest is just noise. By the time the REFINERY in Uganda is ready... Besigye might be president unless m7 'buys' another term.

The best case for a refinery to be running is 2014 but a small one just for Uganda's needs.

Kibaki will be gone by 2013 so will (I hope) kiraitu. Also after 2012, the ministers will (hopefully) be vetted & professionals not the current corrupt bunch.

KK is growing regionally. And what I have seen them do, they will continue doing so for the next 5 years.

Your conviction is admirable.Applause
Cde Monomotapa
#1785 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 4:31:17 PM
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I am simply talking about KK's probabilty of increasing its margins by positioning itself strategically. The rest of the tons of info u've provided I am not concernd about.
VituVingiSana
#1786 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 6:06:34 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
I am simply talking about KK's probabilty of increasing its margins by positioning itself strategically. The rest of the tons of info u've provided I am not concernd about.
Huh? How can you look at one aspect [margins] and discount the rest? Please provide your logic... coz I can't make much of your comment/s except varying margins.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Cde Monomotapa
#1787 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 8:00:54 PM
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1st of all I was reffering to erifloss's "lecture" being info-overload. 2ndly I was expressing my thoughts on how KK can possibly increase its margins by being smart coz higher margins=higher returns for shareholdrs. Look, I am not here to save the world, I found it as it is and playing my hand, so kila mtu ajipange..that is the essence of capitalism. So I watch KK and its response to mkt dynamics..if I like I hold, if I don't I sell. Kila mtu akule bidii yake generally.
erifloss
#1788 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 9:41:19 PM
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@cde, always look at a company from all perspectives and not one thus my info. overload always helps me in taking long term positions in different industries. At times its good & advisable to look at a company in wholesome case in point Satyam in India, investors learnt this the hard way coz everything was working well for them till they went haywire.
I believe a company is not only the profits you see on paper but the management, prospects, lobbying power within the industry, major suppliers & clients, core biz concentration etc. Apart from financial indicators i also use 5Cs to analyse a company. And when i do this with kk i don't find it so much of a good investment as most Wazuans tend to put it.
'They say money cannot buy me happiness but when i compare when i had none and now, i'm happier' Kevin O'leary
Cde Monomotapa
#1789 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 9:47:11 PM
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He he.as the E.A Cable Ad went.."wire si wire" thus, to me the NSE has 54* wires...so I own just 3 smile
VituVingiSana
#1790 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 9:52:49 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
1st of all I was reffering to erifloss's "lecture" being info-overload. 2ndly I was expressing my thoughts on how KK can possibly increase its margins by being smart coz higher margins=higher returns for shareholdrs. Look, I am not here to save the world, I found it as it is and playing my hand, so kila mtu ajipange..that is the essence of capitalism. So I watch KK and its response to mkt dynamics..if I like I hold, if I don't I sell. Kila mtu akule bidii yake generally.

So far KK has (somehow) managed to survive even in 2H last year when KPRL, MoE & ERC were all gunning for them.

KK has been buying 'storage' outside of Kenya too [not the briefcase dealer nonsense]. KK also owns various depots all over the country so storage adds up.

Finally, I have a feeling KK saw the ullage crap & attacked the problem by filling tankers & tanks at all petrol stations so they had fuel to sell while others did not!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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