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pm
#1 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 1:24:00 PM
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Filling nitrogen in tires instead of air gives you a smoother ride,better performance,does not deflate as much as air (less tyre pressure check; minimum leak),your tyres rims lasts longer (nitrogen unlike ordinary air eliminates water content) ...




I've had nitrogen in all my cars and has noticed a better ride/ performance.

Are there any nitrogen filling stations in Kenya?

If not,there is your business opportunity ;)

festom
#2 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 1:40:00 PM
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When you talk about business,i believe you need to do a SWOT analysis,to see if its viable. Are kenyans ready to leave free air and come and buy your nitrogen for their tires. Even the president's cars are inflated with air not Nitrogen

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pm
#3 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 2:10:00 PM
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@festom,please learn basic Internet etiquette / protocols,some of your language is plainly too crude to allow for a mature informative discussion ... that aside,your logic is too faulty,you wrote 'Are kenyans ready to leave free air and come and buy your nitrogen for their tires' ... First,it's NOT my nitrogen,I was simply advancing an idea based on developments here in the West and based on my experience,secondly,folks have historically left donkeys / carmels and so forth for cars,in transitioning from beasts of burden to cars,the argument why would anyone want to switch from this mode of transportation to cars would now appear to be a silly argument ... people here are finding nitrogen more economical over air in the long term,let me know if you need help in calculating why nitrogen inflated tyres would be more economical ...

Kaigangio
#4 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 3:34:00 PM
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@ pm,

the advantages are many but the real reason why nitrogen gas is still not available in our filling stations is the cost factor.....the cost of its manufacture and packaging is astronomical by the standards of an ordinary kenyan...and air is free...


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pm
#5 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 4:20:00 PM
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@kaigangiu,I was looking at various equipment for separating nitrogen - available from India,China etc which are at very reasonable prices ... See http://www.alibaba.com/t...ea=product_en&ssk=y ... what I'm trying to convey to folks is that,it's more expensive NOT to have nitrogen filled tyres,my experience is that I'm saving more money by having nitrogen inflated tyres by as much as a factor of 4x over regular air ... I don’t think the process is that difficult / expensive ... regular air is 90% nitrogen,and a machine to separate hydrogen / water cannot be that expensive,the same compressor is used as with ordinary air ... in most gas stations these days you have to pay about $.75 to inflate tyres,to fill your tyres with nitrogen is about $10.00 and you'll not need to be checking air for a while ... come to think of it one would be better off with nitrogen inflated tyres outside town ....

And1589
#6 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 5:20:00 PM
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Personally i'll need more convincing to use the Nitrogen because i think i'm ok checking my tires fortnightly and filling up with the free air. Nevertheless i dont dispute that Nitrogen might be superior.

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Djinn
#7 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 7:29:00 PM
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@pm - pls excuse my ignorance in these matters - but what about expansion? you said 'based on developments here in the West'....and I keep thinking of,is how cars from abroad need some form or the other of 'tropicalisation' - mainly to do with cooling systems since our ambient temperatures are usually higher all year round. Also driving conditions are not as tame - thus,tyre wall distortion on uneven surfaces (aka pot holes,all weather roads - thus likelihood of leaks/explosion). Just a thought...

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pm
#8 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 8:00:00 PM
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@Djinn,first,a bit of correction from my previous post - air consists of - about 1% of water in form of vapor plus other gases, about 21% oxygen which escapes about 4 times more than nitrogen,and 78% nitrogen which is non-flamable and dry ...

That said,nitrogen filled tyres are most suitable for tropical climates because it does not make tyres expand due to varying temparatures,nitrogen is a poor heat conductor,safety is another added plus for nitrogen inflated tyres due to stable tyres and less prone to expansion & therefore blown tyres ... nasgar,airlines,military (us and others) use nitrogen in tyres ... tires will run cooler and at a more consistent pressure than if they were filled with air.
Layman
#9 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:54:00 AM
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@pm,we will use nitrogen when we reach there. For now free air does fine.

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mukiha
#10 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:48:00 AM
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I have a few problems with this:

First it sounds like a 'Mouse-Milk' kind of product. They say that mouse milk is very similar to human mother's milk. Thus if the mother of a child dies,you can feed the infant on mouse milk and s/he will grow normally. The only problem is that it is very difficult to catch one mouse...and you need thousands to feed a human baby....and also you need to make sure that your 1,000 mice are all female and have recently given birth!!!

Of course,it will be easier to look for another breast-feeding human mother and she will only be too glad to feed the extra child....or if in town,buy formula!!!!

Now,the science is not convincing. @pm says that Nitrogen is a poorer conductor of heat than air. This is not true. Thermal conductivity of air is 0.024 W/(mK)....and that of Nitrogen is 0.024W/(mK). They are identical!!!!!!

Their thermal expansions coefficients are also identical; that is,they expand at the same rate as the temperature is increased.

The slower deflation is due to the fact that air has a higher moisture content. This moisture condenses under pressure thus causing the deflation.

Finally,@pm writes ... in most gas stations these days you have to pay about $.75 to inflate tyres,to fill your tyres with nitrogen is about $10.00 and you'll not need to be checking air for a while ... .....

Now in Kenya,air pressure is completely free of charge and you can fill up as many times as you wish as frequently as you need. Many times I have gone with a 'slow puncture' for weeks,just topping-up every two or three days.

Thus,this will only work if petrol stations start charging for pressure.....now that will be the day!!!!



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wachiras
#11 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:31:00 AM
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nitrogen is good especially if you are running low profile tires on kenyan roads. it really protects from wear and tear that comes as a result of running on underinflated tires and also heat. there's a firm industrial area that does nitrogen for ksh 200 per tire. if you are riding on low profiles its worth every penny coz you know the kind of problems you experience with those kind of tires.
mukiha
#12 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:52:00 AM
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@wachiras;

All tyres deteriorate very fast if used on lower pressure than that recommended by manufacturer.

Low profiles used on proper pressure wear out in about a quarter the time it takes standard profiles.

Now,@200-bob per tyre,how frequently do you re-fill? How will that compare with filling with free airon a weekly basis?

I still think this is another mouse-milk!!

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Wendz
#13 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:59:00 AM
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@Wachiras

The irony of the matter is,a dude/dudette bought the low profile tires because he/she wanted to save a few coins,then you tell the same dude/tte to go pay for the air that he can get for free,any time he needs to? Not sure if that will work. life is interesting... you will find that those who need some of these things most are the ones who will need to avoid them at any cost...... Now,those with high profile tires and who will afford to buy it,may not find it the very immediate need for the car given that they already have good tires and can also use free air.

IMO,and not to belittle this venture,nitrogen will work in kenya for 'class' kind of thing(initially) but not really for the real need to do it unless,as @mukiha put it,the gas stations stop providing the free 'air'. So for now,may be the marketing should be channelled to targed this group of consumers until the motorists feel the real need to pay for this product.

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wachiras
#14 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:26:00 AM
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@ wendz. low profile tires are more expensive than your regular tires. they are meant to be used with big rims to pimp your ride. but on the other hand,they are more prone to punctures especially if you drive on very rough roads or over potholes due to the small distance between the road surface and the rim. you may even end up breaking the rim itself. @mukiha. nitrogen solves these problems and you only need to do it once every 3 months or so. plus you could still use regular air to top-up as and when need arises.
Wendz
#15 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:40:00 AM
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@wachiras

oooooh,am brighter now than i was a few minutes ago..... thanks buddy!

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mukiha
#16 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:06:00 AM
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...but,come to think of it,a few years ago you could walk into any restaurant/hotel and ask for water...they'd give you as much as you want for free...

Today,you ask for water,the waiter will ask you which brand...and charge you at least 50-bob!!!

So,I guess it's only a mater of time before we start paying for AIR,isn't it?

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pm
#17 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2009 2:56:00 PM
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@all,

Nice discussion for what may look like a novel idea ... even here in the West there are many skeptics,I was one until the cash for crankers ( Obama program where one had to give up a gas hog for an economy car) program & a generous incentive from my firm to buy a hybrid,the dealer I bought the hybrid (2010 Prius) from ships all new cars standard with nitrogen filled tyres ... but they forgot to prep mine with nitrogen,before I was getting 48 miles per gallon,now I’m averaging 52 and the ride is smoother,stable and three months later,the tyres had exactly the same pressure ... I was quite impressed and wanted to sound off this idea kwa jamaa ... the ability to adopt is a virtue .... ;)

I now have to move a long … thanks all,now I know I can fill my tyres with nitrogen at Industrial Area... I know Ill be better off than with 'free air' ...

@mukiha I'll sort out the conductivity / density issue with respect to nitrogen as time allows,thanks for pointing that out... the error is mine and should not invalidate efficacy of filling tyres with nitrogen

BTW if you see GREEN valve stem caps on tyres or even a green STEM it means the tyres are inflated with nitrogen


Eddy
#18 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:05:00 PM
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@pm

This is good information and by the way the nitrogen thing has been around coz in 2006 i went for rim straightening at ..??not sure whether they are called mitchellin kingsway - near Jeevanjey and they were giving out brouchures to that effect but the cost was about KES 1200 for 4 tyres.

They also claimed aircraft tyres are only filled with nitrogen etc - Change management is not easy,but in most cases change is the only constant.
mukiha
#19 Posted : Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:57:00 AM
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Small digression....

The 52M/Gal from a nitrogen filled Prius is equivalent to 22km/L. Now what sort of consumption are people getting from 1500cc VVTI Toyotas....running on air?


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#20 Posted : Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:44:00 AM
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Mukiha,roughly they give 14-17km/l on highway and 10-12km/l town running!!!!

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