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Is Kenya a Failed State
ktnemployee
#1 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 12:01:00 PM
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i having been observing our govt and for some reason i think we are a failed state.


there is no clean drinking water virtually every where in the country apart from private water holes and borehole
am told rationing of electricity will start soon
famine is almost everywhere in the country

deforestation
criminals almost everywhere have taken control

then what is the govt for,can we do away with it?
just asking

when i wake up in the morning i check whether my name is in the forbes magazine of the worlds richest people,if its not there i go to work.
McReggae
#2 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 12:31:00 PM
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We are a failed state and we rank number 14 in the world having dropped by 12 places!!!

The chief value of money lies in the fact that one lives in a world in which it is overestimated.
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mtaalam
#3 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 12:46:00 PM
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Kenya is a joke. The leaders of the second liberation are our current oppressors. Our previous oppressors are now our current liberators. Kwa kweli najihurumia kuwa mkenya.

ili iwe funzo...
ktnemployee
#4 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 1:02:00 PM
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@mtaalam i cant agree with you more!,but to add on that i think we have a leadership gap the guys who are supposed to keep the govt on toes are the ones between ages 20-40 but where are they? just the same way the likes of orengo did sometimes in the 70's

when i wake up in the morning i check whether my name is in the forbes magazine of the worlds richest people,if its not there i go to work.
faa
#5 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 1:11:00 PM
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i also agree that without doubt kenya is a failed state.Almost all Kenyans know this except a few Cabinet ministers like Moses Wetangula sucker who earns a salary of 1 million.


How can he dare say that Kenya is not a failed state infront of people with no Jobs.

yayo
Obi 1 Kanobi
#6 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 1:45:00 PM
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We are doing very poorly but not yet there,methinks its abit unfair to mention kenya and somalia in the same category.

The gava is clearly overwhelmed,but the rest of the country is really trying to hold things together,specifically the private sector seems to be working hard to stabilize the nation. Its not all about the gava and the Mpigs.

We can start thinking of being a failed state when;

- the international journos relocate to another neighbouring country to report from there.

- transit goods are diverted through the more expensive TZ routes.

- UN relocates etc.

Lakini we could be there in 2012 if we don't fix the political system ASAP


I've noticed the youth in particular coming in to a workplace with a completely outsized notion of their own value and importance... just a thinly-veiled arrogance. May be the credit crunch induced recession is whats needed to remind us all about the value of hard work.... By Anonymous
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saitoti
#7 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 1:48:00 PM
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Kenya is not a failed state.

Not in totality,not when we are are around,we industrious and patriotic kenyans.

Together,we will remain rock solid and persevere harsh times for a brighter tomorrow.

Hope,Hope,Hope. Don't lose it!





WE ARE ONE UNITED KENYA.
willin2learn
#8 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 2:05:00 PM
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I think the contention should not be whether it's a failed state or not. The main issue should be whether we should move positions to no 4,just below Somalia,DRC and Chad..
willin2learn
#9 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 2:15:00 PM
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@ Saitoti,

I would wish to believe you. However i have been around long enough to know that as a country the only thing that moves forward is poverty and population..

Remember at independence our primary goals as enumerated in the Sessional Paper no. 5 (1965) were to fight Disease,Poverty and Illiteracy.

A whole four and a half decades later we are still struggling with those and managed to rope in Tribalism,Insecurity,Desertification among many others..

If the 1965 goals were examinable today i would not find a suitable Alphabet to award Kenya..pathetic






Obi 1 Kanobi
#10 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 2:42:00 PM
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I don't know what a failed state implies,but methinks we are better off than

Somalia,DRC,Burundi,Eritrea,Ethiopia,Chad,Uganda,Sudan (for blacks),Mauritania,Congo,Malawi,Zimbabwe,Zambia,Gabon (that country has a serious case of dutch disease),Iraq (too many bombs),Afghanistan,Haiti,CAR,Rwanda,Ivory Coast and probably another 30-50 countries who nobody ever hears of.

Infact in sub-saharan Africa,only SA can claim to have a clear advantage over us in everything,the rest of the countries either have oil (Ghana,Angola,Gabon,Nigeria) or have huge natural resources that minimise conflicts or are recovering from long conflicts and are being treated with kid gloves to keep things in balance.

The above is not an illustrious grouping and claiming to be better than them does not say anything about how we are doing but I have been hearing the story about how we were better placed than Korea and Singapore 50 years ago and TBH,I am really tired of it,we have been teettering on the cliff edge forever and since we don't seem to topple over we must be doing something right.

The IMF/WB at some point claimed UG/TZ had better investment opportunities than us,this year we were ranked above them. Yep things go around and return to the same spot.


I've noticed the youth in particular coming in to a workplace with a completely outsized notion of their own value and importance... just a thinly-veiled arrogance. May be the credit crunch induced recession is whats needed to remind us all about the value of hard work.... By Anonymous
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
simonkabz
#11 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 3:00:00 PM
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By african standards,kenya ranks top ten in GDP,and gets an average plus in governance. Guys saying kenya is a failed state shuld make a visit to congo,darfur or somalia. What will u call these? Has any govt employee missed his salary? That could b the beginning of ril shiet! N btw,most of the murk we r in rait now results fm water problems. How many trees hav u planted? If none,then just knw u shat on yoself!

The only reason why some people are still alive is coz its illegal to shoot them!!
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Mr.Tea
#12 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 3:18:00 PM
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I would be very reluctant to call Kenya a failed state. Firstly because I have no clue what parameters are used to arrive at that deduction.Secondly,I would be condemning myself.How?Am I one to see mess in my yard and all I'm busy doing is talking about it while apportioning blame...Finally,like a few have pointedly stated,surely we must be ahead of many in this part of our region. We compare better relative to most..

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swaleh
#13 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 3:32:00 PM
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@ktnemployee,tha aforstated reasons r nt what make a state a failed state. U shld visit Somalia.
Obi 1 Kanobi
#14 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 3:44:00 PM
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'A failed state is one which the western countries can't exploit'

In Saudi Arabia,a 9 year old girl is married to a 60 year old man but because they supply the US with credit,Oil and a market for their decomisioned arms,Obama visits them and bows to the king.




I've noticed the youth in particular coming in to a workplace with a completely outsized notion of their own value and importance... just a thinly-veiled arrogance. May be the credit crunch induced recession is whats needed to remind us all about the value of hard work.... By Anonymous
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
faa
#15 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 3:51:00 PM
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I wonder why Kenyans,should compare Kenya with Somalia and other African Countries.



In 1963 Kenya was the same level with singapore and South Korea.It was better that that Taiwan and even Thailand.

How comes now its where it is.Simply it is a failed state in its own aspect.

But let this not worry you as everyone Cares about himself and how much richer he is than his fellow Kenyan.Even the leaders you see talking about Kenya.


yayo
subzero
#16 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 5:14:00 PM
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kenya is not a failed state.

kenya is not doing as good as it was possible. Yes we have wasted many opportunities. both collectively and individually,
the system we are in has provided suitable conditions for us to degrade to this level.
to me its a result of premature democracy.
our adoption of democracy came with lots of side effects. notably corruption,irresponsible governance,nepotism. right from the Kenyatta days.
with time our democracy will mature and things will get better. there will be lessons to be learnt. some of them bitter. like PEV.
play your part in your own little way,I'll play my part.
Kaffir
#17 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 7:33:00 PM
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For a formal failed state classification,you are looking at the level of monopoly over the (legitimate) use of violence.. I think thats the formal definition,or something like it. Thats why the Somalia's are classified as failed; not because of (poor) Govt service delivery. And,thats also why Ug is less of a failed state than Kenya (gosh,it even expends its monopoly into Kenya!!)
VituVingiSana
#18 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 9:15:00 PM
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I would happily pay a performance fee to a group or country (say Singapore) that would run Kenya for 5 years. Set targets & pay for performance. Neo-colonialism? Well,I would rather be safe,well-fed than to remain under the rule of idiots & hyenas.

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
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Brewer
#19 Posted : Tuesday, July 14, 2009 5:55:00 AM
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How easily we forget,or is it just convenient to say it now? Last year some shouting loudest now defined us as a failed state,where our institutions could not handle the results of the last general elections and called to be rescued by foreigners. We are still going on to define ourselves as a failed state when the prime minister does not waste a moment to say how useless our police are. Why are we surprised if the rest of the world comes to believe some of the porojos we allow our politicians to harp on all the time? Kenya,it would appear,is a country with low self-esteem!

Our problems are many,our challenges daunting but we should not let people assail our spirit of resilience and innovation to tackle our problems. Kudos to those who trudge on to keep Kenya firm and proud in spite of the doomsayers who would rather Kenya was a basket case waiting to be rescued by them.
mwenza
#20 Posted : Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:25:00 AM
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Kenya may not be a failed state as yet.........But surely kenya has a totally failed leadership.

Its only in kenya where G.K limos are legitimately purchased and since the beneficiaries of the vehicles didnt get 10% kickbacks from the purchase ......what happens? They reject the vehicles,sack poor employees........ And what do we do?....We all cheer the hypocritical gestures. This is kenya for u.



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