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Poligamy before 'His' eyes
danny6
#1 Posted : Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:36:00 AM
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While running through a short verse in the bible this morning i stumbled at Gen 29 vs 1-35 here is some action

16 Now Laban had two daughters; the name of the older was Leah,and the name of the younger was Rachel. 17 Leah had weak eyes,but Rachel was lovely in form,and beautiful. 18 Jacob was in love with Rachel and said,'I'll work for you seven years in return for your younger daughter Rachel.'... 21 Then Jacob said to Laban,'Give me my wife. My time is completed,and I want to lie with her.' 22 So Laban brought together all the people of the place and gave a feast. 23 But when evening came,he took his daughter Leah and gave her to Jacob,and Jacob lay with her. 25 When morning came,there was Leah! So Jacob said to Laban,'What is this you have done to me? I served you for Rachel,didn't I? Why have you deceived me?'26 Laban replied,'It is not our custom here to give the younger daughter in marriage before the older one. 27 Finish this daughter's bridal week; then we will give you the younger one also,in return for another seven years of work.'
28 And Jacob did so. He finished the week with Leah,and then Laban gave him his daughter Rachel to be his wife. 30 Jacob lay with Rachel also,and he loved Rachel more than Leah. And he worked for Laban another seven years...


My discussion this day; is poligamy acceptable before the eyes of the lord provided you treat them fairly? according to the verse the Lord was not happy with Jacob coz he showed more love to Rachel than Leah and thus decided to bless Leah with children.And thus how do we interprate this in the current context..think of Zuma's,Wanjala's....!!!

'When one door closes another door opens; but we so often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door,that we do not see the ones which open for us'.
danny6
#2 Posted : Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:03:00 AM
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wachanganuzi or is it wachambuzi wa bibilia please help hapa

'Don't question GOD,as he may say,if you are so eager for answers,then please come up'.
Blackberry
#3 Posted : Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:11:00 AM
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Achiever
#4 Posted : Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:20:00 AM
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like blackberry said....its hard to elewa everything in the bible...

but i think it was ok in the OT....

but changed in the NT....




don't worry....be happy
Ja-Kom
#5 Posted : Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:35:00 AM
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Elmer Towns has discussed this topic in a fine way in His Book ''Bible answers for almost all your Questions''. Hope this is of help to you.

The question of polygamy is an interesting one in that most people today view polygamy as immoral while the Bible nowhere explicitly condemns it. The first instance of polygamy/bigamy in the Bible was that of Lamech in Genesis 4:19: 'Lamech married two women.' Several prominent men in the Old Testament were polygamists. Abraham,Jacob,David,Solomon,and others all had multiple wives. In 2 Samuel 12:8,God,speaking through the prophet Nathan,said that if David’s wives and concubines were not enough,He would have given David even more. Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines (essentially wives of a lower status),according to 1 Kings 11:3. What are we to do with these instances of polygamy in the Old Testament? There are three questions that need to be answered: 1) Why did God allow polygamy in the Old Testament? 2) How does God view polygamy today? 3) Why did it change?

1) Why did God allow polygamy in the Old Testament? The Bible does not specifically say why God allowed polygamy. As we speculate about God’s silence,there are a few key factors to consider. First,there have always been more women in the world than men. Current statistics show that approximately 50.5 percent of the world population are women,with men being 49.5 percent. Assuming the same percentages in ancient times,and multiplied by millions of people,there would be tens of thousands more women than men. Second,warfare in ancient times was especially brutal,with an incredibly high rate of fatality. This would have resulted in an even greater percentage of women to men. Third,due to patriarchal societies,it was nearly impossible for an unmarried woman to provide for herself. Women were often uneducated and untrained. Women relied on their fathers,brothers,and husbands for provision and protection. Unmarried women were often subjected to prostitution and slavery. The significant difference between the number of women and men would have left many,many women in an undesirable situation.

So,it seems that God may have allowed polygamy to protect and provide for the women who could not find a husband otherwise. A man would take multiple wives and serve as the provider and protector of all of them. While definitely not ideal,living in a polygamist household was far better than the alternatives: prostitution,slavery,or starvation. In addition to the protection/provision factor,polygamy enabled a much faster expansion of humanity,fulfilling God’s command to 'be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth' (Genesis 9:7). Men are capable of impregnating multiple women in the same time period,causing humanity to grow much faster than if each man was only producing one child each year.

2) How does God view polygamy today? Even while allowing polygamy,the Bible presents monogamy as the plan which conforms most closely to God’s ideal for marriage. The Bible says that God’s original intention was for one man to be married to only one woman: 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife [not wives],and they will become one flesh [not fleshes]' (Genesis 2:24). While Genesis 2:24 is describing what marriage is,rather than how many people are involved,the consistent use of the singular should be noted. In Deuteronomy 17:14-20,God says that the kings were not supposed to multiply wives (or horses or gold). While this cannot be interpreted as a command that the kings must be monogamous,it can be understood as declaring that having multiple wives causes problems. This can be clearly seen in the life of Solomon (1 Kings 11:3-4).

In the New Testament,1 Timothy 3:2,12 and Titus 1:6 give 'the husband of one wife' in a list of qualifications for spiritual leadership. There is some debate as to what specifically this qualification means. The phrase could literally be translated 'a one-woman man.' Whether or not this phrase is referring exclusively to polygamy,in no sense can a polygamist be considered a 'one-woman man.' While these qualifications are specifically for positions of spiritual leadership,they should apply equally to all Christians. Should not all Christians be 'above reproach...temperate,self-controlled,respectable,hospitable,able to teach,not given to drunkenness,not violent but gentle,not quarrelsome,not a lover of money' (1 Timothy 3:2-4)? If we are called to be holy (1 Peter 1:16),and if these standards are holy for elders and deacons,then they are holy for all.

Ephesians 5:22-33 speaks of the relationship between husbands and wives. When referring to a husband (singular),it always also refers to a wife (singular). 'For the husband is the head of the wife [singular] … He who loves his wife [singular] loves himself. For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife [singular],and the two will become one flesh....Each one of you also must love his wife [singular] as he loves himself,and the wife [singular] must respect her husband [singular].' While a somewhat parallel passage,Colossians 3:18-19,refers to husbands and wives in the plural,it is clear that Paul is addressing all the husbands and wives among the Colossian believers,not stating that a husband might have multiple wives. In contrast,Ephesians 5:22-33 is specifically describing the marital relationship. If polygamy were allowable,the entire illustration of Christ’s relationship with His body (the church) and the husband-wife relationship falls apart.

3) Why did it change? It is not so much God’s disallowing something He previously allowed as it is God’s restoring marriage to His original plan. Even going back to Adam and Eve,polygamy was not God’s original intent. God seems to have allowed polygamy to solve a problem,but it is not the ideal. In most modern societies,there is absolutely no need for polygamy. In most cultures today,women are able to provide for and protect themselves—removing the only 'positive' aspect of polygamy. Further,most modern nations outlaw polygamy. According to Romans 13:1-7,we are to obey the laws the government establishes. The only instance in which disobeying the law is permitted by Scripture is if the law contradicts God’s commands (Acts 5:29). Since God only allows for polygamy,and does not command it,a law prohibiting polygamy should be upheld.

Are there some instances in which the allowance for polygamy would still apply today? Perhaps,but it is unfathomable that there would be no other possible solution. Due to the 'one flesh' aspect of marriage,the need for oneness and harmony in marriage,and the lack of any real need for polygamy,it is our firm belief that polygamy does not honor God and is not His design for marriage.






For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
Romans 5:19
For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. Romans 5:19
danny6
#6 Posted : Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:11:00 AM
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@ja-k
very informative but i guess its never being figured out exactly

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eli
#7 Posted : Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:38:00 AM
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This is my take:

1. God does not allow Polygamy. He created Adam,then Eve. We are not told of other women like Leona,Wendz as the other wives of Adam.

2. Polygamy was a practice among non-godly people,the Jebusites,canaanites,etc. When Israel was to conquer the land,God did instruct them to kill everybody. God knew very well,these people would be a thorn in the flesh of the Isrealites. Well,Isrealites disobeyed. They instead made them their slaves. They refused to kill their neighbours,the people who occupied the land. These people were famous for all these ills: idle worship,polygamy etc. You will remember as noted in 1 and 2 Samuel,and in 1 and 2 Chronicles the many times that Isrealites went into idol worship. Why? Their neighbours influenced them.

3. Man shall leave his family and be joined to his wife and the two shall become one flesh. A very common scripture during weddings. Again,we are not told of other women to which the man should be involved with in the name of mistresses.

4. Jesus,1st miracle was in a wedding. Thou his time for the ministry wasnt yet. Mary his mother beseeched him to do 'something'. Well,Jesus,unleashed his first miracle and everyone made merry! Again,we see how God really respects/ honours weddings.

5. Its our sinful desires to explore,to jienjoy that lead us into such thinking of many mistresses. Well,Solomon,the King had 1,000 women,but read what he says in Chronicles,'Its all vanity of vanity'. These many women,led his heart away from serving God into idol worship. How sad?

But you shall remember the LORD your God,for it is He who is giving you power to make wealth,that He may confirm His covenant which He swore to your fathers,as it is this day. Deu 8:18
danny6
#8 Posted : Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:49:00 PM
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@eli
straight to the point i feel you!

'Don't question GOD,as he may say,if you are so eager for answers,then please come up'.
eli
#9 Posted : Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:07:00 PM
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Welcome danny6!

But you shall remember the LORD your God,for it is He who is giving you power to make wealth,that He may confirm His covenant which He swore to your fathers,as it is this day. Deu 8:18
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