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What Crimes have been Committed by Raila?
famooz
#11 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2011 8:54:12 AM
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Abby wrote:
Uhuru and Ruto have told us all sorts of things about Raila; one thing that comes out clearly is that they have nothing specific (say, corruption, impunity, etc) that they can accuse Raila of.

For example, Uhuru says those who refused to go to court and instead called for mass action should be the ones going to the Hague. I wish he could have said the same about those who rigged the election.

So, is Raila that bad? Which is a better choice between Raila and Uhuru/Ruto? Are the Rutos, Uhurus, etc afraid of a Raila Presidency because he is clean (to some degree) whereas they have some things to hide?

After all, light and darkness are 180 degrees apart, and people prefer darkness!



Abby this is called stirring up a hornets' nest my friend.....how about fact check before posting here?

Fact:To start with,nyanza returned more that 100% voter turn out in many polling centres,so did the swing state of Nithi:)

Wacha i head out,will be back with more fact check for you......
dossy7
#12 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2011 9:13:07 AM
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Abby in Kenya we only have 2 crimes that Raila has committed and they are Railaphobia and Railamania.
The rest are just politics
Kenya ni yetu sisi sote
Jus Blazin
#13 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2011 9:25:17 AM
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Abby wrote:
Now tell me: what has Uhuru done for you guys? Raila has helped create democratic space, are you saying that is not important?

What has Ruto done for Kenya? And Kalonozo? It really depends on what one considers .....

As PM? I thought democratic space was there after 2002? And we have to credit EMK for that as well, being the man in charge and allowing democratic space to thrive. Again, as PM, what has he done?
FYI, I dont say that I prefer WR, UK or SMK. My comparison is based on RAO vs EMK. He has been in politics for long.
Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Abby
#14 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2011 9:28:44 AM
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Hi Guys,

May be we leave this topic for another day; sorry to have brought it up ----- I am relatively new on this site.

I must say though that Kenyans have no problems turning Criminals into Heroes .....
gohill
#15 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2011 9:32:35 AM
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@Abby and co shut up and think of a better thread to discuss. We have had enough of Railas, uhurus and rutos in this section. This bigot analysis is making me hate club sk section of Wazua.
hoodrat
#16 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2011 9:36:24 AM
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dossy7 wrote:
Abby in Kenya we only have 2 crimes that Raila has committed and they are Railaphobia and Railamania.
The rest are just politics


I will have to agree with you on that.Idolised by his people,demonized by his opponents.How good or bad he is simply depends on which side of the divide you fall!
Apparently there is nothing that cannot happen today!
dossy7
#17 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2011 9:43:37 AM
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gohill wrote:
@Abby and co shut up and think of a better thread to discuss. We have had enough of Railas, uhurus and rutos in this section. This bigot analysis is making me hate club sk section of Wazua.

Freedom of expression
Kenya ni yetu sisi sote
innairobi
#18 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2011 9:45:47 AM
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Honorable Abby

Reasons for the anti-PM movement differs from one person to the other. If we had time, we could discuss:

- Justifying the killing of women and children as long as it could get him to power http://www.youtube.com/w...mHmU&feature=relmfu

- PM and his kitchen cabinet (Anyang, Orengo, Kajwang, Midiwo, Miguna, Mbadi, Millie, Ongoro, Shebesh) acting like passive spectators to the PEV. Their loud & persistent pontifications not helping matters. Could be reason for the likely RV & Mt Kenya protest vote.

- failure to acknowledge rigging in ODM strongholds in 2007 despite the Kriegler report. to his credit, neither has PNU

- the maize scandal

- double standards - e.g. Ruto and Ongeri should resign pending investigations while Ngilu and Mudavadi have to wait for investigations to be completed. Can look the other way as long as you support him (Mudavadi, Ntimama, Bett, Gumo, Kosgey, Kajwang all have a colorful past that he will only point out once they move out of his camp. That's what has happened with Kalonzo, Ruto, Kenyatta)

- joining Baba Moi's KANU hoping to be toshwad (there has since then been an attempt to distort history that he got in to 'destroy KANU from within', something I find rather amusing)

- nepotism in appointments

- tribalism - surrounding himself with persons of his community (see above kitchen cabinet); wants Luhya to vote for him because he is more Luhya than Eugene Wamalwa (a half-Sabaot half-Bukusu?).

- a populist - can unilaterally declare a cap on rent and unga if it pleases the crowd. economic sense and repercussions notwithstanding

- a perception of sucking up to the West too easily

- a perception of preferring foreigners to locals for prominent jobs

- etc

Many of the other front runners may be worse. And there is no doubt that the PM has an impressive past as one of the persons that fought for democracy in the 80s and 90s.

However, the persistent Safi-Kama-Pamba mantra with everyone else as unclean is what probably draws focus on his indiscretions.

In summary, Wamalwa Kijana put it perfectly when he described Railaphobia and Railamania. The point is that:

- a good proportion of the people that have resolved to support Raila are unlikely to see any wrong by him no matter what is presented before them. (Hence your question?).

- a good proportion of his opponents are unlikely to view any positive thing about Raila presented before them. His actions will always be viewed suspiciously. As having a deeper sinister meaning.

This is politics. The PM has to find a way of convincing 50%+1 voters that he is the best man out there.

Honorable members, I beg to move.
All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
dossy7
#19 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2011 9:55:36 AM
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[quote=innairobi
a perception of preferring foreigners to locals for prominent jobs

[/quote]

@Innairobi these same people who accuse RAO of preferring foreigners last week they all had foreigners in their defense tables at the hague while we have lawyers back home who could also do the job speak of double standards.
Kenya ni yetu sisi sote
Jus Blazin
#20 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2011 10:07:50 AM
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@innairobi Applause Applause Applause Applause
Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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