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Wendz
#21 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 5:35:47 PM
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ecstacy wrote:
Wendz wrote:
ecstacy wrote:

@Wendz, anything else not factual according to you or it is just that?


for now, i will be ok with this. Others have some elements that can be refuted or proved not to be an exception of one politician but i prefer to restrict the discussion to this particular one because it is more relevant to the current situation.


You responded to one fact you don't agree with, with a page full of discussion. Pls bullet out the rest, why stop with one? We discussing the entire article not current affairs only. I'll be patient to this and concise in return.


My apologies. Let me put it in one sentence

Please let me know/have any available evidence we can refer to on when and how RAO connived with ICC and possibly Koffi to sneak in the names of Ocampo 6 in the envelop that seemed to be so tightly guarded. That's all am interested in.


Wendz
#22 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 5:38:01 PM
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oteve wrote:
@wendz I have not seen any part of yhe article accusing RAO of influencing the ICC what I see is his celebration on his opponents predicament that is there for all and sundry to see


I could be wrong but I thought this sentence said as much "As you celebrate your victory in scheming to drag your opponents to a foreign court, you must be counting it as yet another ‘minor’ collateral damage in your pursuit for power. "

Or what do you make of the highlighted bit?
ecstacy
#23 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 5:40:20 PM
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Wendz wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
Wendz wrote:
ecstacy wrote:

@Wendz, anything else not factual according to you or it is just that?


for now, i will be ok with this. Others have some elements that can be refuted or proved not to be an exception of one politician but i prefer to restrict the discussion to this particular one because it is more relevant to the current situation.


You responded to one fact you don't agree with, with a page full of discussion. Pls bullet out the rest, why stop with one? We discussing the entire article not current affairs only. I'll be patient to this and concise in return.


My apologies. Let me put it in one sentence

Please let me know/have any available evidence we can refer to on when and how RAO connived with ICC and possibly Koffi to sneak in the names of Ocampo 6 in the envelop that seemed to be so tightly guarded. That's all am interested in.




1. Pls show us where the article it says that "RAO connived with ICC and Koffi to sneak in the names of Ocampo 6 in the envelope".

2. As previously requested, pls bullet out ALL other in factual information in the article in your view.

As indicated, I'll be patient to this and concise in return.
Wendz
#24 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 5:46:41 PM
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Posts: 4,268
ecstacy wrote:


1. Pls show us where the article it says that "RAO connived with ICC and Koffi to sneak in the names of Ocampo 6 in the envelope".

2. As previously requested, pls bullet out ALL other in factual information.


1. Ok. may be i used different words to mean the same thing... the question is, in simpler terms, what was RAO's role in taking the Ocampo 6 to ICC. How did he scheme in getting them to ICC? Refer to the part highlighted above alleging his scheming to to drag the ocampo 6 to foreign courts.

2. One thing at a time. If we can exhaustively answer the first one, we can deal with the rest.... We are here for a long haul.. no hurry to bite too much...
Lolest!
#25 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 5:48:27 PM
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Joined: 3/18/2011
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Location: Kianjokoma
I agree with wendz though unlike her, I have zero feelings for the man who described innocent women and children who were burnt to death as raiders just because they were not from his tribe but wept when he visited his forcibly circumcised tribe mates!

I honestly don't see where Raila comes in all this ICC stuff. Ama ni ile closed door meeting na Moreno?He is naturally happy, I would be too. So is Kalonzo and Karua. The trials clear the way for them!

Wendz wrote:
oteve wrote:
@wendz I have not seen any part of yhe article accusing RAO of influencing the ICC what I see is his celebration on his opponents predicament that is there for all and sundry to see


I could be wrong but I thought this sentence said as much "As you celebrate your victory in scheming to drag your opponents to a foreign court, you must be counting it as yet another ‘minor’ collateral damage in your pursuit for power. "

Or what do you make of the highlighted bit?

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Wendz
#26 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 5:54:57 PM
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@ lol..., i am glad you can see where i come from. If you read my first post, i have no feelings for any politican... I particularly dont like Raila, but i also i just dont throw stones just because i dont like someone.... I prefer to deal with substantiated facts before i can condemn anyone - even my worst enemy.

Lolest! wrote:
I agree with wendz though unlike her, I have zero feelings for the man who described innocent women and children who were burnt to death as raiders just because they were not from his tribe but wept when he visited his forcibly circumcised tribe mates!

I honestly don't see where Raila comes in all this. He is naturally happy, I would be too. So is Kalonzo and Karua. The trials clear the way for them!


bwenyenye
#27 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 6:08:54 PM
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Joined: 5/24/2007
Posts: 1,805
Jus Blazin wrote:
@bwenyenye, its good to know that there are people with the reading culture like you and want to learn more about leaders of this country. However, dont you think that in your quest to know more about someone, the contents of the bibliography may be one-sided? And that blogs or tabloids can bring about the other side of the coin?


@JBlazin

You would be surprised how their egos make them show themselves in their true colours. A case inpoint is the bibliography of one very mature ( agewise) Kenyan who has made quite huge sums of money. The guy's house ( more like statehouse) makes a Range Rover look like a mini cooper when parked at his reception. He has very very poor english. But the guy is a good business man. All through his bibliography, you get the feeling that the numbers do not add up. In the open he says he sold charcoal to make his wealth, but when you read, you realise how shrewd he was when dealing with the Asians in the post colonial era. He does not mention a political party he founded and which later crumbled with all the assets.

When you read these things, you know where to place the bloggers. You can tell which is true and which is not.
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keraka
#28 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 6:17:56 PM
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Location: Nairobi
Quick analyis to the comments.To me Lolest and Wendz analysis of the guy sounds sober and balanced apart from the ref to forceful circumcision part by Lolest.
RAO comes out as a heartless being on the ICC issue and his comments during pev.
To Ectacy just a cheap tribal opinionated fellow with no diff t the kamau guy and of course managu managu.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Lolest!
#29 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 6:56:18 PM
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Joined: 3/18/2011
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Location: Kianjokoma
@keraka, I found it disturbing that the old man could say something like that about the Kiambaa victims. I found it disturbing too that he only saw the situation as grave after visiting the victims of forced circumcision. Though both are unfortunate, he justified kiambaa which was a bigger crime and wept for the Nairobi victims.
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B.Timer
#30 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 7:01:48 PM
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Joined: 5/31/2008
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The letter is over 90% factual.

The ICC allegation is debatable, though Railas dedication to seeing the suspects face charges there speaks volumes - partly informing that view.

Reading what is clearly ones PR work, as timed to be conveniently launched for 2007 elections and citing it to counter fair criticism flies in the face.

In a bid to appear politically neutral a number of Wazurians (not @bwenyenye) have ended up presenting themselves as ever too ready to fight for Raila while unfairly and attacking other politicians!
Dunia ni msongamano..
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