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MaichBlack
#31 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:13:21 PM
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livie wrote:
bwenyenye wrote:
This NCIC guy is discretely splitting the country down tribal lines by providing useless raw data. He then makes people feel left out and offers no meaningful way foward.

So now we know. How has it helped us more than make us realise we are different tribes? So does he want the govt to sack staff based on their tribe or employ more based on tribe? And as someone noted, is the basis of employment tribe or qualification and aptitude to do the job?

According to me, it is useless statements like these from 'trusted' quarters that make fodder for Political rhetoric that eventually drives people into different camps.

I think it was the most useless thing to come out of the commission yet!What happened to prosecuting hate speech guys?Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you


I thinks he's trying to bring to everyone's attention that the constitution had certain thresholds for the number of employees from the same region/ ethnic group.

And as such the relevant government departments and ministries should start rectifying the anomaly, not immediately of course but in due course as they recruit Kenyan to fill their vacancies.(affirmative action it would seem)

So the next time I apply for a Government job and I am the most qualified I should be denied the position just because I am Kalenjin, Luo, Kikuyu, Luhya or whatever tribe and "our" threshold has been reached in that particular department. Talk about going back to stone age. And by the way, what happens if my maternal grandparents were Luo + Kikuyu and my maternal grandparents were Kalenjin + Luhya? Which tribe do you use against me?

We should simply make sure that the process is free, fair and transparent. Forget tribes. If such a process produces 70% of successful candidates from the same tribe, so be it. Actually we should have a rule stating that your application should not bear your name!
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FundamentAli
#32 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:27:29 PM
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Kibunja's report is just another alarmist ploy to justify his position. I have checked last years Census report. Using Kibunja's report, the big six tribes occupy 74% of public sector jobs. Last years census puts the big six tribes at a total population of 27.3 million. The total population was 38.6 million. There are about 1.2 million foriegners in the country (Refugee population included). This puts the % of the big tribes in the country at 73%. Where is the bias? Have we even looked at population dynamics and the percentages using the working class age group among the tribes? Proximity from where people stay and work place also counts in a big way for who will work where for the low paing jobs.

Kibunja give us a break. You do not know what you are doing.
majimaji
#33 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:33:58 PM
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In Kenya, we all know that some areas were and have been marginalised during colonialism and after. Therefore some communities are not at par with the bigger tribes etc. I don't know how an Affirmative action can be done without controversy but I think it is the right thing to do. Otherwise some small groups will end up like Red Indians versus White America.
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#34 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 4:26:57 PM
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Kibunjia's numbers though shallow should not be ignored totally. Kenya has been dominated by the big tribes who were favoured by the British in education and jobs. Thus we should have better facilities even in marginalised areas. But let's face it. It will be hard. Most people in those areas live comfortable lives and hate this mzungu civilisation that erodes their culure.Sad
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FundamentAli
#35 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 4:39:50 PM
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@Lolest,

Read my post above. Kibunja's statement raises emotions but it does not give comparative figures.
Wa_ithaka
#36 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 5:07:00 PM
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As usual, if you don’t like the message, you shoot the messenger.
What Kibunja et al have done is a piece of data analysis that is done the world over. As an example in the West, you’ll stats on the number of women who are in the boardrooms of the FTSE 100 companies; the number of negroes sweeping the floors in the big banks or eating porridge; the number of Chinese teenagers who A in math. It’s done to inform government policy and inform debate on how society needs to change.
I am also pretty sure that this is part of the NCIC’s remit. To get Kenyans to look at themselves in the mirror and get rid of ze ugly patches.
You the Kenyan needs to start looking at how you can come up with solutions. If you own a business, do you post vacancies externally or ask among your pals?
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freiks
#37 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 5:34:33 PM
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I was talking with a friend of mine and he told me that some Humanitarian agencies in Sudan have totally rejected kenyans since they have totally finished the slots per nation set out there. But the HR have still employed kenyans since per every post applied they have more kenyans applying than any other country and with better qualification and proven ability to work under the terms set by the organisations. Am sure even in the public jobs sector jobs the HR ends up with more qualified guys who come from some quarters and have proven ability to work under some conditions. Am not also suprised that in my workplace am the only one from my tribe and am surrounded by many kiuks, jangos,and kaleos. Also when i look at the guys qualified from my home area all of them have good jobs and I always meet with guys from big tribes who are soo qualified and are still tarmacking
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safariant
#38 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 10:40:31 PM
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Can Kibujia conduct a census of the team that was at the Olympics or the Last World Athletics Championship? It may have been very tribal.

While at it can he do a census of the Rugby sevens squad, and of Harambee stars (who i cheered like a possessed man when the whooped Angola), I now realise they may have been biased.

Next time we really need to balance the tribes in those squads.
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MaichBlack
#39 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2011 10:43:59 AM
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safariant wrote:
Can Kibujia conduct a census of the team that was at the Olympics or the Last World Athletics Championship? It may have been very tribal.

While at it can he do a census of the Rugby sevens squad, and of Harambee stars (who i cheered like a possessed man when the whooped Angola), I now realise they may have been biased.

Next time we really need to balance the tribes in those squads.

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Nice one!

He should also have IAAF and other athletics bodies investigated for two reasons

1) They have been letting an unfair percentage of Kenyans win the middle and long distance races - this affects the international balance.

2) Even when they let Kenyans win, in most cases, a huge percentage of those who win the races are from one community. Going forward, only a maximum 33% of participants from a certain community should be allowed to win!

The Kenya athletics whatever should also be forced to have ethnic balance when picking teams to represent Kenya. It doesn't matter even if they pick a random overweight farmer. Provided we have Sang, Kariuki, Otieno, Wamalwa, Kioko, Hamisi, Sanaipei, Moraa etc. in the team. If our 3000m steeplechase team takes 1,2,3 like they always do, the must make sure all the 45+ tribes are represented in that top 3.
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