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Jubilee Holdings results FY2010 profit jumps 84 pct
mlennyma
#51 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:17:19 AM
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I had projected atleast to see 220 and it has passed my litmus test.iam convinced the nse is among the top investment platforms.imagine from 175 to 220?almost all stocks will tripple for the five years after 2012 if we dont butcher each other.
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Iborian
#52 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2011 10:36:59 AM
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These were good results, no doubt about it, but if the NSE does not perform as well in 2011 as it did in 2010, Jubilee's profits will definitely come down in a big way.
msimon
#53 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2011 10:55:58 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
I had projected atleast to see 220 and it has passed my litmus test.iam convinced the nse is among the top investment platforms.imagine from 175 to 220?almost all stocks will tripple for the five years after 2012 if we dont butcher each other.


I wont allow myself to be taken up in this euphoria. After close examination of the results, Jubilee is overvalued and the only excitement will come in form of the bonus issue. Look closely at the cashflow from operations, these guys generated no free cashflow last year. The positive cashflow from operating activities is enhanced by the DAC's and the changes in insurance contract liabilities and reserves.(these are negatives ultimately). Insurers profit in a 3 pronged way.
1. Through underwriting margins.
2. Through Investment Income
3. Appreciation of the value of the assets.

Typically, you want an insurer whose management focuses on all the three in that order. Now for Jubilee, indeed they have a great management team, but the euphoria surrounding the results is baseless as its driven by the 3rd which is erratic and prone to wild swings. Now had the NSE been up 10-12% last year, then jubilee would have relied on the bonus bonanza for the stock to be up 25%. Because, if you ignore the changes in portfolio market at market, jubilee would be in a loss position of -2,224,502,000. Yes, thats true. But the unrealized gains in the investment portfolio market at market show a total of 3,782,400,000. Note that in the previous -2,224,502,000, i had included share of results of associates after income tax, meaning that if i were to ignore it too, the loss position would be enormous. At current prices, investors are bidding it at 2.2x book. This makes it extremely overvalued, especially when you weigh it against returns of other stocks in similar segments. Now if your playing it for the bonus bonanza, well and good. But if your allocating capital, now wouldn't be the time to touch this honey.
the deal
#54 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:50:58 AM
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msimon go back 5 yrs from now...JUB has never reported reduced profits or losses....
VituVingiSana
#55 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2011 2:21:51 PM
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This is a comment on Jubilee the firm, not the share price!

Jubilee is a very well run firm that is consistently profitable... The run a good shop which has proven very reliable...
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Ms Mkenya
#56 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2011 2:51:31 PM
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Good info
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ngapat
#57 Posted : Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:15:16 AM
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A big rise in profits came from "other revenue" which rose by 110% as opposed to insurance business
http://www.nse.co.ke/new...d%20December%202010.pdf
What are these other revenues and are they sustainable?
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Sure
#58 Posted : Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:10:22 AM
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ngapat wrote:
A big rise in profits came from "other revenue" which rose by 110% as opposed to insurance business
http://www.nse.co.ke/new...d%20December%202010.pdf
What are these other revenues and are they sustainable?


They sold quoted shares for 1.75 billion. I would want to know the specific shares they had initially bought and when. If the company accounts for quoted shares on its books at market value, large swings in financial reports is expected.

Diamond was at it with 1 billion from bond trading. Nation with adverts etc. The Aga Khan empire is taking shape.
Wisdom to detect when share prices hit rock bottom.
When interest on bonds keep going up, you know the bear run is on high street. When interest on bonds start leveling, the bear has met the bull and they have hit rock bottom. When the interest rates on bonds start coming down, the bull has overpowered the bear and you better be riding the bull.
mwanahisa
#59 Posted : Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:29:25 AM
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Sure wrote:
I would want to know the specific shares they had initially bought and when.


Jubilee treats this as proprietary information. It is certainly not disclosed on their financials, but there are ways round it, but it requires quite a bit of sweat. Even I have not quite managed to complete building my database on their portfolio in its entirety.

I am waiting for the share to drift back down to 200 as I am more convinced than ever that I should bequeath this share to my grandchildren, whenever they may come, though I can't see that happening soon!
The Merchant
#60 Posted : Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:11:57 AM
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Back to 200/- even before I had time to decide whether I should cash in on some! Sad
Oh well, Ill just have to continue accumulating again......
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